Israeli Settler Council Admits to Systemic Ritual Sexual Abuse Of Children

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It happened in response to every case so far: from the bombing of hospitals to the murder oh Hind Rajab and the rescuers who tried to get to her, and don't get me started on the thousands of other cases when Israel's groupies ought to have STFU, but doubled down in their whataboutism, rationalising, trivialising, libel and - in the case of governments - criminalisation of anti-genocide speech and activism. So, WTF are you getting at?
So it didn't happen in this case yet.

What I'm getting at is that this is a horrific case of child abuse and you're doing your best to turn this into a discussion about the way politicians and the media are handling criticism of IsraeI.

You haven't even made a single post addressing the original topic.

Basically, you're treating any mention of Israel as an assist that lets you voice your grievances and fire off your repetitious single-line statements. I could probably post the weather forecast for Jerusalem and you'd find a way to make that about <overused nickname for British politician>. It's getting stale.

(Sorry for the post-hoc edits)
 
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This is the whataboutism I am talking about. The reason Jewish people are under threat directly relates to what Zionists are doing. It is not just the Israeli government, it is the behavior of Israeli settlers as well. There is a rot in Israeli society, which is a religious ethnostate on stolen land which wants even more. When you think you are the "chosen people", you think you are entitled to take whatever you want and behave however you want.

Many Jews are standing against what is happening, but this is literally a fucking genocide being committed in Gaza and now Lebanon is under attack too. The actions of Israelis are what is putting Jews around the world in harm's way. I don't want any harm to come to any Jewish people, or anyone else. I am fucking sick and tired of seeing people being slaughtered daily in Gaza and Lebanon with the help of American money and weapons because the US is strangely, stupidly beholden to Israel.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "whataboutism, " at least not from the way you use it in this context. I'm trying to warn against allowing anger at the activities of Netanyahu and his government, and of the IDF, and of Israeli settlers, to metastasise into a generalised antisemitism, and gave you an example of it happening in the UK.

Nor do I think the US is "strangely, stupidly beholden to Israel" any more than I think it has been strangely, stupidly beholden to Saddam Hussein's Iraq, the Shah's Iran, Ferdinand Marcos' Philippines, General Pinochet's Chile, MBS' Saudi Arabia or any of the other rogues gallery of regimes that have in the past enjoyed US sponsorship and support because, rightly or wrongly, the US at the time at the time thought that supporting them served the political and economic interests of the US.

It's strange only if you think the US support only the good guys. The Middle East is a vitally important area to the US's strategic interests, and the UK needs some regional superpowers to act as its proxies. For a long time, Israel has been one of them, as has been Saudi Arabia.
 

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I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "whataboutism, " at least not from the way you use it in this context. I'm trying to warn against allowing anger at the activities of Netanyahu and his government, and of the IDF, and of Israeli settlers, to metastasise into a generalised antisemitism, and gave you an example of it happening in the UK.

Nor do I think the US is "strangely, stupidly beholden to Israel" any more than I think it has been strangely, stupidly beholden to Saddam Hussein's Iraq, the Shah's Iran, Ferdinand Marcos' Philippines, General Pinochet's Chile, MBS' Saudi Arabia or any of the other rogues gallery of regimes that have in the past enjoyed US sponsorship and support because, rightly or wrongly, the US at the time at the time thought that supporting them served the political and economic interests of the US.

It's strange only if you think the US support only the good guys. The Middle East is a vitally important area to the US's strategic interests, and the UK needs some regional superpowers to act as its proxies. For a long time, Israel has been one of them, as has been Saudi Arabia.
I am sorry, your other examples fall pretty short. It is getting even worse:


"Mike Rogers (R-AL) and Adam Smith (D-WA) have introduced the United States-Israel Defense Technology Cooperation Initiative as part of the 2027 National Defense Authorization Act. The initiative would expand U.S. & Israel military cooperation with joint research, testing, manufacturing, and sharing technology. As well as promoting joint military training, information-sharing, network integration, and data fusion. "


Unsurprisingly, both congressmen have taken a large sum of money from good old AIPAC. So yes, America is stupidly beholden to Israel in a way it has never been in any of the examples you cited. I can't think of another country we have funnelled $400 billion to support their society at the expense of our own country. We are directly funding a genocide here. Blood is on the hands of all involved.
 
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I am sorry, your other examples fall pretty short. It is getting even worse:


"Mike Rogers (R-AL) and Adam Smith (D-WA) have introduced the United States-Israel Defense Technology Cooperation Initiative as part of the 2027 National Defense Authorization Act. The initiative would expand U.S. & Israel military cooperation with joint research, testing, manufacturing, and sharing technology. As well as promoting joint military training, information-sharing, network integration, and data fusion. "


Unsurprisingly, both congressmen have taken a large sum of money from good old AIPAC. So yes, America is stupidly beholden to Israel in a way it has never been in any of the examples you cited. I can't think of another country we have funnelled $400 billion to support their society at the expense of our own country. We are directly funding a genocide here. Blood is on the hands of all involved.
Also, she conveniently bypasses every question about the "Labour" party getting money (let's be honest, that's bribery) from the Israeli lobby. Or about Stürmer's relationship with Mandelson and, through him, Epstein, the child trafficker and Israeli agent.
 

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I am sorry, your other examples fall pretty short. It is getting even worse:


"Mike Rogers (R-AL) and Adam Smith (D-WA) have introduced the United States-Israel Defense Technology Cooperation Initiative as part of the 2027 National Defense Authorization Act. The initiative would expand U.S. & Israel military cooperation with joint research, testing, manufacturing, and sharing technology. As well as promoting joint military training, information-sharing, network integration, and data fusion. "


Unsurprisingly, both congressmen have taken a large sum of money from good old AIPAC. So yes, America is stupidly beholden to Israel in a way it has never been in any of the examples you cited. I can't think of another country we have funnelled $400 billion to support their society at the expense of our own country. We are directly funding a genocide here. Blood is on the hands of all involved.
Are you suggesting that, had, for example, Russia, Iran or North Korea outbid AIPAC these two would be pushing similar joint initiatives on behalf of those countries instead? If not, why not?

I can see why it's tempting to believe that one's country would naturally tend do the right thing, so when that doesn't happen it must be because people are being bribed or coerced not to, but I think what you describe is simply how lobbying and US politics work -- lobby groups raise lots of money to be seen to be trying to make things happen, and members of congress get paid lots of money by the lobbyists to be seen to be assisting them. The outcome hardly matters -- it's the process that counts because it puts money in the pockets of all concerned.

Does this initiative, in fact, stand any chance of success? I thought the NDA was pretty bogged down right now. If it were the US government pushing the project it might be rather different, but how does this differ from all the other performative ideas that particular members of congress push for their own purposes (e.g. bills and amendments to name everything after Trump)?

Ask yourself whether, bribed or not, any US government during the last 50 years would have seen it in the geopolitical and economic interests of the US to have Israel (and its nukes) controller by, on the one hand, either a non-aligned leftist Palestinian government (e.g. run by Fatah) or, more recently, by ethno-religious populists, aligned with Iran, like Hamas and Hezbollah, or, on the other, to remain under the control of a US-aligned Jewish government, no matter how unpleasant?

I really don't see the US's continuing support for Israel as much different from the US' support for the Shah until he was overthrown, or, after that, for Saddam while he looked like a useful counterbalance to the now hostile Islamic Republic of Iran. The US tends to work with the allies and proxies as it finds them, no matter how unpleasant and, at least in the case of Saddam, genocidal they might be.

The US has a long history of supporting genocidal regimes when it suits them. Israel is nothing new or special.

 
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It's been happening since 1948. But no one wanted to believe Palestinians. No one. Even today, we are disgustingly told to focus more on what we think of Israel than what it's actually been doing and declaring it intends to do. Enough is enough.-
 

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Also, she conveniently bypasses every question about the "Labour" party getting money (let's be honest, that's bribery) from the Israeli lobby. Or about Stürmer's relationship with Mandelson and, through him, Epstein, the child trafficker and Israeli agent.
Neither you nor Cristiano have actually asked Innula any questions about these (or any other) topics in this thread.
 
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Neither you nor Cristiano have actually asked Innula any questions about these (or any other) topics in this thread.
I have been responding to what Innula has said to me. Not sure what the point is of your drive by sniping.
 
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I have been responding to what Innula has said to me. Not sure what the point is of your drive by sniping.
I don't think he meant to call you out so much as respond to what Mona said about Innula. Not trying to speak for him, but I think his comment seemed to be more directed at Mona than you.
 

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I'm afraid I have had Mona on ignore for a while because of what seems to be the impossibility of our having a productive conversation on this topic. So I would rather not waste her time and mine by talking past each other, since that achieves nothing.
 

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I don't think he meant to call you out so much as respond to what Mona said about Innula. Not trying to speak for him, but I think his comment seemed to be more directed at Mona than you.
And I'm not taking a single syllable back. No. Not a single letter.
 

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I'm afraid I have had Mona on ignore for a while because of what seems to be the impossibility of our having a productive conversation on this topic. So I would rather not waste her time and mine by talking past each other, since that achieves nothing.
True. One side cares about whether people are being nice to genocidal criminals. The other doesn't. One side is a SLebrity and has immunity. The other isn't.-