I want to learn web development

[Soen Eber]

New question: web hosting? I tried looking online and on youtube but it's pretty spammy.

I want enough freedom to do the development I need to do and I'm friendly with Linux, but admin-level stuff is just a touch above me so I wouldn't be able to secure it adequately [and Linux Admin training is currently out of scope], so that probably leaves out a Digital Ocean droplet. Just something reliable with cPanel I guess. For the next couple months its just going to be basic learning but I do want to have access to MySQL, PostGres, various dev tools.

Thanks.

 

[Free]

If you're OK with working on your devops and admin skills at the same time:

AWS Free Tier

 

[Soen Eber]

If you're OK with working on your devops and admin skills at the same time:

AWS Free Tier

I think I should wait on that for just a bit, but thank you. I tend to shift focus and that hasn't worked well for me, so I want to stay with the core essentials (HTML 5/CSS/JavaScript) for now and not spread my time and focus on to other things, although that does sound like a wonderful resume filler. Unless I hear otherwise I'll just go with DreamHost or InMotion for a year or so, and chase admin, back end, and dev ops after I'm employable as a .NET and web developer. Oh, and I see there's a free year of Azure as well, which would be a lot of necessary fun as well.

I'm going to have to crawl for a while until I can walk/run/fly.

 

[Kara Spengler]

"I found a solution thanks"

Thread closed.

If I had a nickel for every time I read those words ....

 

[Kara Spengler]

New question: web hosting? I tried looking online and on youtube but it's pretty spammy.

I want enough freedom to do the development I need to do and I'm friendly with Linux, but admin-level stuff is just a touch above me so I wouldn't be able to secure it adequately [and Linux Admin training is currently out of scope], so that probably leaves out a Digital Ocean droplet. Just something reliable with cPanel I guess. For the next couple months its just going to be basic learning but I do want to have access to MySQL, PostGres, various dev tools.

Thanks.

If you think you want to learn drupal download aquia dev desktop. It will give you php, mysql, and so on (drupal modules are written in php and mysql). You can browse to your own computer to look at how it works and optionally upload everything to the free tier of aquia cloud (which only gives you access) to play with it there. The downside is hosting a drupal site where others can use it starts to rack up costs as no good free site supports it (it uses too many resources).

 

[Free]

If you think you want to learn drupal

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

Google search skills are incredibly important to a developer.Unfortunately for me, I always seem to find some obscure problem that one other person posted about in 2012 and never got an answer to.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

 

[Free]

I thought experienced programmers simply learn that there is no rake.

 

[Soen Eber]

Think I'm set for at least the next couple of months, thanks everyone. I'm going with Atom (for the extended list of plugins, it's been around a while longer than VS Code) and for now I'll just use an Atom browser plugin to run code instead of spending money on a hosting provider. See you all again after I finish learning HTML 5, JavaScript, and CSS.

 

[Soen Eber]

I thought experienced programmers simply learn that there is no rake.

No, experienced developers create a rake package with different options and push it to a repository.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

New question: web hosting? I tried looking online and on youtube but it's pretty spammy.

I want enough freedom to do the development I need to do and I'm friendly with Linux, but admin-level stuff is just a touch above me so I wouldn't be able to secure it adequately [and Linux Admin training is currently out of scope], so that probably leaves out a Digital Ocean droplet. Just something reliable with cPanel I guess. For the next couple months its just going to be basic learning but I do want to have access to MySQL, PostGres, various dev tools.

Well the typical low cost hosting provider would be Dreamhost or Bluehost. The problem with AWS is that the longer it is running, the more you have to pay. Simple as that.

Setting up an own host is not so hard to do, but choosing a shared hosting version is definitely much, much cheaper.

 

[Free]

The problem with AWS is that the longer it is running, the more you have to pay. Simple as that.

No. It's more like the more you use it, the more you have to pay. But then that's the nature of pricing in the cloud.

 

[Noodles]

I missed the question about hosting, but if you ever do want more Linux Admin training, I have been pretty happy with Digital Ocean. I have a couple of VPSs there, one as a private mail server and one hosting several WordPress websites.

They also have a lot of good resources to get things running on a lot of subjects.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

Here's an article called "The Website Obesity Crisis".

The thing is that today the average web site comes in about 1 dot something megabytes. So most web sites today are per page bigger than the original installation media for Doom, or some of the biggest works of Russian literature. Thus slowing the web down, and the main reason for it are frameworks.

Anyway, a good inspiration on how not to do it.

The Website Obesity Crisis

 

[Free]

Anyway, a good inspiration on how not to do it.

The Website Obesity Crisis

The page and thumbnails combined are over 1mb. I didn't have the heart to download all the linked-to images, the first of which is over 400KB.

It's also an HTML document in which tables are used for almost all of the document's layout. As it was written put together in 2015, that's at least 6 8 10 or more years after serious HTML pros were telling everyone to stop doing that.

Anyway, I remember complaints about the size of the home page for the ISP I worked at. It was over 120KB - in 1999! Our customers connected to the internet with 56Kbps modems, so they had good reasons to complain about the lack of optimization in a web page.

Web "obesity" is never going to die as a topic of discussion. You can trim down image file sizes, clear out redundant css declarations, remove little used blocks of code, but then someone behind the scenes wants to analyze the performance of layouts through A/B testing, or install a new widget, or add a new "hot" dynamic component, and you suddenly end up more bogged down then when you started.

What's the term similar to "zero-sum game" only you always end losing more than what you came in with?

Or, you can always give up and give into AMP.

 

[Essence Lumin]

This page is about 3.5 MB. I don't know that Cris or anyone is too worried about it though.

 

[Benjamin Opel]

I would also recommend that you hangout on programmers forums to share and learn ideas from like minded individuals. I would also recommend finding local groups to yourself so you can start and network.

Two website I use, and still continue to use are:

DigitalPoint.com
SitePoint.com

Good luck with everything, you're learning something beautiful. I am still passionate about anything web related, and I hope I will continue to do so.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

Or, you can always give up and give into AMP

Ironically the download foot print of AMP is anything by light weight either. It just makes many things static and reduces the number of dynamic requests a lot. The tradeoff is that you agree to host a copy of your content at Google's infrastructure as more or less static copy. And that's a thing which is not desirable for many serious web designers out there.

In short: better optimise your web site yourself than start using AMP.

 

[danielravennest]

Web "obesity" is never going to die as a topic of discussion.

Websites aren't the only things that are overweight. I have a large reference library of ebooks, and by running the optimizers in Acrobat, on average I reduce their size by half. That's with no loss of content. But there is a large range in file reduction, from not at all to 95%. The ones that don't reduce were properly optimized by their creators. The latter files were bloated for no good reason. Now multiply that by all the ebooks everywhere, and that's a lot of unnecessary bandwidth and storage being wasted.