WTF I have no idea WTF to think of this

[Cristiano]

This deserved it own thread:

 

[Free]

5 hours of captivating viewing

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

The video in the tweet is exactly the kind of thing I'd make to make fun of conspiracy theorists, cuz like, it's really funny and on the nose - the highlighted focusing on random and unimportant details that happen to be in proximity to something important, like the pattern on a carpet or a transitional facial expression made for literally a split second, and attaching extreme cosmic importance to them. But then you go to the guy's website and there's nothing to suggest he isn't dead serious about all of it.

I think the most interesting thing about it is that this is a guy who should ostensibly be on Trump's side but isn't. On his website, he says

The next episode explores feminism and reveals how films like "Barbie" contribute to the destruction of the family. These productions promote the idea that having children is not valued and that masculinity is inherently toxic.

and

This episode delves into the confusion surrounding gender identity, highlighted by the pervasive LGBTQ+ propaganda in music, film, and television. It reveals that winners of beauty pageants, sports competitions, and film awards are often transgender. In reality, many celebrities are also transgender, a fact that is frequently hidden and occasionally hinted at through jokes. Paradoxically, their children are publicly becoming transgender, which helps society to gradually acclimate to and desensitize itself to these issues.

This is practically Trump admin boilerplate, but his little video seems to position Trump in the conspiracy as a participant/perpetrator, and I've always been fascinated by incongruities like that.

 

[Cristiano]

The video in the tweet is exactly the kind of thing I'd make to make fun of conspiracy theorists, cuz like, it's really funny and on the nose - the highlighted focusing on random and unimportant details that happen to be in proximity to something important, like the pattern on a carpet or a transitional facial expression made for literally a split second, and attaching extreme cosmic importance to them. But then you go to the guy's website and there's nothing to suggest he isn't dead serious about all of it.

I think the most interesting thing about it is that this is a guy who should ostensibly be on Trump's side but isn't. On his website, he says



and



This is practically Trump admin boilerplate, but his little video seems to position Trump in the conspiracy as a participant/perpetrator, and I've always been fascinated by incongruities like that.

For me, the oddest thing is the 2023 tweet with Cole Allen's name as the only thing on the account and the weird header that aligns perfectly with the "fight fight fight" staged photo from Butler.

 

[Noodles]

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I think the most interesting thing about it is that this is a guy who should ostensibly be on Trump's side but isn't. On his website, he says



and



This is practically Trump admin boilerplate, but his little video seems to position Trump in the conspiracy as a participant/perpetrator, and I've always been fascinated by incongruities like that.

The bottom one on LGBTQ+ people could very well still be a "Progressives bad" conswrvatives talking point.

Both that and the Barbie one sound like MAGA talking points.

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

For me, the oddest thing is the 2023 tweet with Cole Allen's name as the only thing on the account and the weird header that aligns perfectly with the "fight fight fight" staged photo from Butler.

I think it's phony.

He finds the account by typing in "Henry Martinez", but where does that name even come from and what does it have to do with anything related to this incident? He just happens to know the name of an account that is following nobody and has zero followers? It's baloney. To think it's meaningful you'd have to believe that this shooting including the identity of the shooter was planned all the way back in 2023 and the conspiracy purposefully left a clue on Twitter that served no purpose other than to expose its own existence.

 

[Beebo Brink]

The video in the tweet is exactly the kind of thing I'd make to make fun of conspiracy theorists, cuz like, it's really funny and on the nose - the highlighted focusing on random and unimportant details that happen to be in proximity to something important, like the pattern on a carpet or a transitional facial expression made for literally a split second, and attaching extreme cosmic importance to them. But then you go to the guy's website and there's nothing to suggest he isn't dead serious about all of it.

Whoa! I assumed this was a parody video. You're saying he's serious? Cause that's first-class cray-cray if the intent is earnest rather than sarcastic.

 

[detrius]

Conspiracy theories are like a bag of potato chips. It's really hard to stop after the first chip.

 

[Cristiano]

Conspiracy theories are like a bag of potato chips. It's really hard to stop after the first chip.

Sadly though, what we thought were crazy conspiracies easily dismissed have been horrifyingly been proven true by the Epstein files, even with redactions. It is far worse than I could have ever imagined.

 

[Cristiano]

I think it's phony.

He finds the account by typing in "Henry Martinez", but where does that name even come from and what does it have to do with anything related to this incident? He just happens to know the name of an account that is following nobody and has zero followers? It's baloney. To think it's meaningful you'd have to believe that this shooting including the identity of the shooter was planned all the way back in 2023 and the conspiracy purposefully left a clue on Twitter that served no purpose other than to expose its own existence.

https://www.newsweek.com/x-account-mysteriously-posted-cole-allen-years-before-whca-shooting-11881352

The name came up when people were searching X for information about Cole Allen. He typed in Henry Martinez to find the tweet, though I believe there was another connection with the two names. My brain hurts at this point.

 

[Cristiano]

Ah, found the connection between Henry Martinez and Cole Allen:


Here is the full text of both tweets that were cut off:

This is Insane AF This account, Henry Martinez, has just one post dated December 22, 2023. And it says - Cole Allen. While you might think this is just a coincidence, the cover image used in the account is from a website called 'TIME MACHINE'.

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And now we have Henry Martinez writing papers for NASA- 'Testing Orions Fairing Separation System' By Martinez, Henry (Lockheed Martin Space Systems Co. Denver, CO, United States). More context: Cole Allen's LinkedIn says - He is a software developer, a mechanical engineer, and a summer graduate research fellowship student at NASA Jet Propulsion Lab.

 

[Cristiano]

The Henry Martinez tweet has now been viewed 52 million times - it was viewed 10 million times in the screen shot above:



Apparently what people are reacting to is the NASA connection, and that so many scientists are mysteriously dying all over the world.

 

[Isabeau]

Makes me think of Paradise, which I just finished watching the 2nd season of (anyone else?)

For those who haven’t watched, quantum yadda yadda future super computer affects past, president killed, conspiracies…

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

Apparently what people are reacting to is the NASA connection, and that so many scientists are mysteriously dying all over the world.

Hmm. It's only interesting if you don't look at it too closely, though.

According to this,

From June through August 2014, Allen worked as a planetary modeling intern, conducting research in astrophysics and planetary science. According to a Caltech Summer Undergraduate Research Fellowship report, his work included adding modeling capabilities for planets around several previously excluded stars and updating the model to the most recent version with new chemical reaction data.

“NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory unequivocally denounces violence and extends our condolences and support to all those impacted by this incident,” the agency said in its statement. “We can confirm that the suspect interned at JPL for approximately three months in 2014.”

It was a summer internship between his freshman and sophomore years in college.

Apparently someone named Henry Martinez actually did work at Lockheed on the Orion spacecraft which was made for NASA, but these two people would never have met each other and their work is completely unrelated, it only seems to match up if you reduce all of the details to "well they both something-something NASA".

Neither of them seems to have worked on anything theoretical or cutting-edge. I don't buy the connection.

 

[Cristiano]

Hmm. It's only interesting if you don't look at it too closely, though.

According to this,



It was a summer internship between his freshman and sophomore years in college.

Apparently someone named Henry Martinez actually did work at Lockheed on the Orion spacecraft which was made for NASA, but these two people would never have met each other and their work is completely unrelated, it only seems to match up if you reduce all of the details to "well they both something-something NASA".

Neither of them seems to have worked on anything theoretical or cutting-edge. I don't buy the connection.

Honestly thanks to both the current admin and the Epstein files, I don't believe in coincidences anymore. We are living through the dumbest, most dangerous timeline and it all does feel like a bad MMO simulation.

 

[detrius]

Sadly though, what we thought were crazy conspiracies easily dismissed have been horrifyingly been proven true by the Epstein files, even with redactions. It is far worse than I could have ever imagined.

Well, the term "conspiracy theory" by itself is neutral and doesn't indicate anything about the veracity of the theory.

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

Honestly thanks to both the current admin and the Epstein files, I don't believe in coincidences anymore. We are living through the dumbest, most dangerous timeline and it all does feel like a bad MMO simulation.

I get that, but you MUST NOT let these losers rob you of your senses. Their whole shtick is projecting this kind of rhetorical "reality distortion field" where they use "alternate facts" and you can't let yourself fall into it and start buying their version of reality. It's a little like AI psychosis, except instead of ChatGPT convincing you that you're a cosmic spiral-messenger searching for The Great Signal it's dweebs like this trying to convince you that time travel is real and the Trump Administration is going back in time to leave little easter eggs about its staged assassination attempts on Twitter.

 

[Cristiano]

I get that, but you MUST NOT let these losers rob you of your senses. Their whole shtick is projecting this kind of rhetorical "reality distortion field" where they use "alternate facts" and you can't let yourself fall into it and start buying their version of reality. It's a little like AI psychosis, except instead of ChatGPT convincing you that you're a cosmic spiral-messenger searching for The Great Signal it's dweebs like this trying to convince you that time travel is real and the Trump Administration is going back in time to leave little easter eggs about its staged assassination attempts on Twitter.

I am not taking this that seriously - however, I 100% believe this event was staged, as was Butler. You won't change my mind on that.

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

I am not taking this that seriously - however, I 100% believe this event was staged, as was Butler. You won't change my mind on that.

Well that part is fine. I don't personally buy it right now, but I'll freely admit there's plenty of meat there to chew on. But that's a separate thing - I just really don't want you getting to into this loopy stuff, because I've seen what it can do to people and I dunno, I kind of care about you.

 

[Cristiano]

Well that part is fine. I don't personally buy it right now, but I'll freely admit there's plenty of meat there to chew on. But that's a separate thing - I just really don't want you getting to into this loopy stuff, because I've seen what it can do to people and I dunno, I kind of care about you.

No worries - I find the stuff interesting certainly and yeah I think there are some oddities there, but I am focused on actual conspiracies that are proving fairly plausible. For example, I don't believe Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk. Also, certainly my feelings about Israel have changed fairly dramatically - that is informed not by conspiracy, but what is verifiably happening.