CPAC Stage Shaped Like Nazi Symbol

[Free]

But I just don't see what depends on all this

Then why go on and on about it, posting tweet after tweet to try and convince everyone we're wrong wrong wrong on this one single incident?

 

[Soen Eber]

I have to go with the words of Design Foundry myself, it was an accident.

But more importantly, reading history reveals a stubborn streak of weird coincidence and insanely black humor. Jerry Falwell gets radio time because he's so crazy and wildly out there; no one ever thought he would start a movement. Gavrilo Princip comicly fails twice to assisinate Arch Duke Ferdinand only to have him pull up right in front of him due to a driving error. The U.K. delays the start of World War I by six years by bribing Kaiser Wilhelm with fancy uniforms during the Morocco crisis. A Russian American calms cold war tensions by playing the piano. A bear at the Duluth, MN air force base almost starts World War III. The American Civil War starts and ends on the same mans front yard. A French police officer saves Hitler's life, and an elderly Jewish woman takes him in for a few months out of sympathy.

This Odal rune thing? Well, it just fits that same crazy pattern in history. Of course it was created by a liberal design firm - it just had to be.

 

[Free]

Well, it just fits that same crazy pattern in history. Of course it was created by a liberal design firm - it just had to be.

Sorry but you're going to need to back this crazy talk up with something.

 

[Soen Eber]

Sorry but you're going to need to back this crazy talk up with something.

I did.


What Innula had already posted ...

Design firm takes responsibility for CPAC stage controversy

Design Foundry said it ‘had no idea’ that the stage resembled a Nazi symbol, ‘nor was there any intention to create something that did.’

forward.com

... which I referenced in the post you quoted.

I have to go with the words of Design Foundry myself, it was an accident.

 

[Free]

I did.

Your comment makes it sound like this is only possible set of events: "Of course it was created by a liberal design firm - it just had to be."

How did it "have to be?"

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Then why go on and on about it, posting tweet after tweet to try and convince everyone we're wrong wrong wrong on this one single incident?

Because conspiratorial thinking is very dangerous, that's why -- it's how you end up with QAnon -- and because intelligent and left-inclined people are just as susceptible to conspiracism as are dumb right-wingers.

When I see even people here, whom I know well and for whom I have a great deal of respect, going down this kind of rabbit hole based on mere speculation and conjecture, it scares me, so I protest.

 

[Free]

Because conspiratorial thinking is very dangerous, that's why

And how is assuming a set design was dictated by an ultra-right American conservative group, a group distinctly lead by Trump, a man who has shown a great deal of bias towards fascist and neo-fascist groups and their activities in the U.S., conspiratorial thinking?

 

[Jolene Benoir]

And how is assuming a set design was dictated by an ultra-right American conservative group, a group distinctly lead by Trump, a man who has shown a great deal of bias towards fascist and neo-fascist groups and their activities in the U.S., conspiratorial thinking?

If I can jump in here with my own two cents, please? I agree that, before the facts were known, it might have had merit to assume that the nazis deliberately chose nazi symbols. It makes sense.

But the facts are out now, so...

At first when I heard it was a liberal firm taking responsibility for it, I had a brief moment where I thought to myself, "Maybe they deliberately shaped it that way to showcase that they made a stage for nazis." But, of course, that would be wrong, as well.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

And how is assuming a set design was dictated by an ultra-right American conservative group, a group distinctly lead by Trump, a man who has shown a great deal of bias towards fascist and neo-fascist groups and their activities in the U.S., conspiratorial thinking?

Because the design company, which is normally associated with left-wing and liberal causes, has issued a statement saying that CPAC didn't suggest the design at all. The design company chose it, or so they say, completely unaware of the shape's significance.

Either the design company is lying, or the theory is mistaken. Absent evidence to the contrary, I can only assume the latter.

 

[Free]

The "theory?"

Jesus.

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

I'm really not seeing how the design firm not recognizing the stage they designed in collaboration with CPAC (I mean, really, these things don't get created in a vacuum -- the customer is involved throughout the design process even for tiny installations like trade show booths let alone a stage like this) means that someone at CPAC didn't slip it past them.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I'm really not seeing how the design firm not recognizing the stage they designed in collaboration with CPAC (I mean, really, these things don't get created in a vacuum -- the customer is involved throughout the design process even for tiny installations like trade show booths let alone a stage like this) means that someone at CPAC didn't slip it past them.

Certainly, and if only we had some evidence that someone from CPAC had, in fact, somehow slipped it past them, then there might be something to go on.

However, since all we have is the statement the company provided to Forward (a significant choice of outlet, some might think, given the subject matter), I don't think it's a justifiable assumption on its own.

Design firm takes responsibility for CPAC stage controversy

Design Foundry said it ‘had no idea’ that the stage resembled a Nazi symbol, ‘nor was there any intention to create something that did.’

forward.com

CPAC Got Into a Bitter Feud With the Company Behind Its Controversial Stage

The American Conservative Union, the organization behind the annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), engaged in a bitter feud with the company behind its controversial main stage, which was accused of evoking Nazi symbolism. ACU officials and the company that built the stage were...

www.mediaite.com

We were retained by the American Conservative Union Foundation (ACUF) to design the stage for this year’s Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC). As part of our working agreement, the client provided our team with feedback, revisions, and final approval on all aspects of deliverables outlined in the contract—including stage design. The approved stage design was intended to provide the best use of space, given the constraints of the ballroom and social distancing requirements. The iterative design process included input from CPAC, the hosting event space, other vendors, and county officials. We had no idea that the design resembled any symbol, nor was there any intention to create something that did. We are saddened and horrified at the accusations that this was a deliberate act. Design Foundry denounces all hate speech and acts of racism, prejudice, or bigotry in all forms.

It is perfectly possible that CPAC slipped them the idea, just as it's perfectly possible that they decided to smuggle it in under CPAC's nose, but neither is supportable without evidence.

It's possible the shape came to the designer in a dream for all I know, but speculation without evidence is pointless.

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

Certainly, and if only we had some evidence that someone from CPAC had, in fact, somehow slipped it past them, then there might be something to go on.

Any argument that this was not deliberate on someone's part is not credible. There are too many design elements that make no sense otherwise. And CPAC was involved in the process all the way through, as the second article you references and the text you quoted states.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Any argument that this was not deliberate on someone's part is not credible. There are too many design elements that make no sense otherwise. And CPAC was involved in the process all the way through, as the second article you references and the text you quoted states.

As were Design Foundry, of course.

Which side do you say is lying about what?

The only way I can get this to work is that CPAC decide among themselves (and I'd like to know the decision-making process here) to concoct a scheme whereby they somehow nudge Design Foundry into making a stage to this particular design, while at the same time somehow fooling Design Foundry into thinking it was their idea, not the client's, in order to shift the blame onto Design Foundry when the shape was recognised, and get away with it.

That seems a bit far-fetched.

 

[WolfEyes]

It's all some dastardly plot to blame it all on Design Foundry so that democracy will be destroyed!

Sometimes an honest mistake is just an honest mistake.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

It's all some dastardly plot to blame it all on Design Foundry so that democracy will be destroyed!

Sometimes an honest mistake is just an honest mistake.

And, of course, we haven't yet begun to speculate about why they're going to all this trouble in the first place.

I mean, pwning the libs is good as far as it goes, but there has to be a limit to the amount of effort they'd be prepared to put in for very little reward.

I know! It's Markoff Chaney at work! That's exactly the sort of stunt he pulls, and runes and nazis as well -- it's straight out the Illuminatus Trilogy.

Hail Discordia!

 

[Romana]

I have no way of knowing whether the stage's resemblance to the collar tabs of the 7th SS Volunteer Mountain Division Prinz Eugen is intentional or not, or why they chose to commemorate that SS division in particular, if it is intentional, though if it is intentional I find the course of events that led to their selecting that design, and then persuading the design company to lie about it, and take responsibility by issuing a press statement to a left-wing Jewish news organisation, of all places, so without further evidence I want to leave that alone because it suggests serious dishonesty on the part of the owner of Design Foundry and her employees.

It seems to me unlikely, given what we know of her, that she would have anything to with such a plan, so I would need more evidence than simple supposition before I'm prepared to entertain the idea at all seriously, though I accept it's a theoretical possibility.


But I just don't see what depends on all this -- we know what Trump and his supporters are like, which is why it wouldn't surprise us if they did choose the shape deliberately, but I don't see how it being their deliberate decision to base the shape of the stage on a Nazi symbol makes them any worse than we already know they are, from their own words and actions.

It would be a very visible FU to "the libs" and Jewish ones in particular. I don't give a flying fck what the design firm says or Yashar Ali, either. "oWnInG tHe LiBs" is a central focus of theirs.
They also believe that Democrats, celebrities, and Jews drink babies' blood and want to take over the world.
NEVER AGAIN.
If it looks like a Nazi, and talks like a Nazi, it's a Nazi.

 

[Lady Darnk Juniorette]

How could you people think these facists would do nazzy shit???

It's not like they've been doing a whole bunch of it all out in the open for years now and have absolutely ruined their rep and I said in another thread lost their benifit of the doubt.

You people are crazy to even think they'd stoop so low as to make their stage into a symbol to own the libs and or create a stir!

Let's continue to argue about it amongst ourselves!

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

If CPAC was involved the entire time? Then yes, they could have steered the design into this shape.

'That looks cool, but can we add this little bit to it?' 'Oh hey, what about adding a wider area for the exit and entrance areas....'

And sure Design Foundry could be completely clueless about where the suggestions were leading the final design to go. I don't doubt that.

But design is never done without basic parameters from the client.

If someone was to come to me and say 'Make me a stage.' with no other parameters, they'd most likely end up with something extremely boring, but practical design.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

If and when some evidence turns up, in the form of some emails, or texts, or even someone getting drunk and telling his friend about how they really pwnd the libs, and the friend telling the media, then that will maybe take things out of the realm of speculation and into something more substantial.