The Israeli Goverment Has Become The Monster

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IDF speaker Daniel Hagari told that Iran launched a drone attack against Israel from its territory which will take some hours to arrive.

 

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Iran's attack on Israel is a confirmed reality by now. It is the first time ever that Iran directly attacks Israel. The retaliatory strike is launched to enact revenge for the bombing of the Iranian embassy in Syria. Houthis in Jemen and Hisbollah in Lebanon are joining the attack.

Great... can always count on Iran to do the rational thing and escalate. Heavy sarcasm intended. I feel like we're closer to WWIII than we've been since the Soviet Union collapsed.
 

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In reply to Bartholomew Gallacher's informative post.

bassem | Original audio on Instagram

I still do not accept that present-day Palestinians must die for the sins of others (British govt, Arab states, Hamas, etc, etc), most of whom were not even born when these atrocities occurred.
 

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Great... can always count on Iran to do the rational thing and escalate. Heavy sarcasm intended. I feel like we're closer to WWIII than we've been since the Soviet Union collapsed.
The Iranians are not idiots. So long as Israel does not respond, or is at least reasonable in their response, things will not get out of hand. This is merely a marker in response to an asinine attack ON AN EMBASSY COMPOUND by Israel.

There are sufficient resources in their client states to launch a surprise attack, and they have missiles which will NOT require several hours to reach Israel. Further, when Iran launched a missile attack on a U.S. military compound a few years back in response to our killing of ... well, let's not mince words, a highly placed and politically influential Iranian terrorist, their targeting and intelligence was accurate enough to hit only unoccupied buildings. There were disabling knock-on effects on U.S. personnel but the fact is, no one was outright killed. Again, another marker, demonstrating competence and comfidence in drawing a red line.

They are an enemy, but their foaming rabidly at the mouth phase was at least a generation ago. A sane enemy can be dealt with, if treated with some measure of respect and awareness.

If I have the facts wrong, please let me know. It's been a while since I looked into this.
 

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In reply to Bartholomew Gallacher's informative post.

bassem | Original audio on Instagram

I still do not accept that present-day Palestinians must die for the sins of others (British govt, Arab states, Hamas, etc, etc), most of whom were not even born when these atrocities occurred.
Again you do sound a little bit uninformed. Present-day Palestinians are also contributing their part to the escalation in many forms, they are by no means innocent and have committed enough own sins. Also present day Israel is not innocent as well under Netanyahu.

Start here with Wikipedia:

And don't neglect the other lists on separate articles:


Also be aware about suicide attacks which happened in the past and other stuff. Hamas is having pretty high support rates in Gaza strip at the moment. No wonder. Your mistake is to separate between Hamas and innocent civilians, while in reality it's more complicated.

A mistake by the way your ancestors didn't commit when they liberated Germany from the Nazis. Everybody was first suspect to have been a member of the NsDAP or contributed to the atrocities of the 3. Reich. De-Nazification was a real thing.

I am certain about one thing: if Gaza strip would be in Cuba, and fire these gifts at Florida, it would not be long standing on its own because the US Army would put it to an end.
 
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They are an enemy, but their foaming rabidly at the mouth phase was at least a generation ago. A sane enemy can be dealt with, if treated with some measure of respect and awareness.
We don't really know how much they are willing to go. Many think that a full scale open war is something that Iran also does not want to be involved to, but who knows.

The sad thing is that in the past - before the revolution under Khomenei - the relationship between Persia and Israel actually was pretty good. Good enough, that Persia had an oil pipeline going through Israel to a port there, which still is there but out of function nowadays. Persia was one of the first states in the area to acknowledge Israel, the militaries worked together on developing weaponry, and so on.
 

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Here's an interesting opinion in Haaretz, saying that Netanyahu really should apologize to Biden and Kingdom of Jordan as well, because despite Israel receiving the biggest amount of support ever by the USA Netanyahu is just showing ingratitude. The author also emphasizes the importance of Israel to strengthen its regional alliance with the Kingdom of Jordan.


Also in Haaretz is a list of the weapons which Iran launched at Israel. It was mostly Qiam rockets (a descendant/variant of Scud rockets), as well as Paveh 351 cruise missiles. The use of Soumar family of missiles is possible but yet unconfirmed. Aside that most drones used where Shahed 136 and Shahed 131 models. Most of the used systems rely on GPS primarily, which is why GPS jamming works against them. In the past Iran also introduced more advanced models with additional technology which can take over if GPS is being jammed. So far there is no evidence these systems were being used.

 

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The Iran attack looks like it was calculated to save face while doing minimal damage. They appear to have passed a warning on to Turkiye which they would have to know would be shared with the US and therefore Israel.
 

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Iran's two most advanced cruise missiles types launched at Israel made it through the Iron Dome and struck air bases in Nevatim and Ramon. Even the most advanced American radar stationed in Israel was unable to prevent that.

These cruise missiles precisely shoot the runways. The message is clear: this is what will happen when we attack for real.

Or as Scott Ritter puts it: "For all those trying to spin yesterday’s events as an Israeli victory, chew on that fact: The best missile defense system in the world could not protect the sites they were tasked with protecting from attacks by Iranian missiles. Who has deterrence supremacy? It ain’t Israel."


 
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Opinion in Haaretz: The Islamic Republic of Iran Is Not a Suicidal Regime. That's Fortunate for Israel

A direct war pitting Iran against Israel, and possibly the U.S., would be extraordinarily costly for Tehran, even jeopardizing the survival of a regime that is already facing a deep domestic legitimacy crisis, and which knows they'll be no 'rallying-around-the-flag' effect in case of full-blown war


Yet, despite the attack on Israel, the Islamic Republic is not a suicidal regime but adamantly preoccupied with its survival only. Far from being a surprise attack, Iranian state TV readily announced the launch of "dozens of drones and missiles" at Israel, and reportedly before that Tehran may have informed Washington (U.S. officials have since denied), thus providing the other side with ample time to erect its defenses.

In turn, hardly any of the Iranian assaults had hit, causing no deaths. In contrast, the regime is celebrating it as a grand victory, with state TV partly using fake images of heavy detonations caused inside of Israel. As such, the attack did not cause "maximum damage" as warned by General Mohammad Bagheri, Chief of the General Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces, following the Damascus strike. In contrast, "maximum damage" could have resulted from a different choice of Iranian retaliation, such as ballistic missiles that could have reached Israel within twelve minutes and perhaps the most dreaded weapon of all for Israelis at the moment: the mass activation of Hezbollah, just across the border in Lebanon.

In other words, these characteristics of Iran's assault may also imply the will to de-escalate amid an escalation. In fact, although much larger in scope, Iran's attack is reminiscent of the retaliation in response to the January 2020 U.S. drone killing of then IRGC-QF commander General Qasem Soleimani, when it fired more than a dozen ballistic missiles at two Iraqi air bases housing U.S. forces. Yet, no casualties were caused, as Tehran had issued warnings beforehand.

For the Iranian leadership, the mission appears to be concluded, as indicated by the comments by Bagheri and Iran's mission to the UN. And so, this face-saving show of force has satisfied two goals: One, restoring lost confidence among its domestic and regional adherents; and two, creating some deterrence against Israel's continuation of high-profile targeted killings, raising the latter's costs.

Also, the opposing camp can claim victory: Israel for its successful defense and heavily curtailing the impact of the Iranian salvo and the U.S. with its allies for an effective collective response. Such a win–win constellation could allow for de-escalation, yet such a scenario would also depend on Israel's reaction and the ensuing tit-for-tat.

 

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Also, the opposing camp can claim victory: Israel for its successful defense and heavily curtailing the impact of the Iranian salvo and the U.S. with its allies for an effective collective response. Such a win–win constellation could allow for de-escalation, yet such a scenario would also depend on Israel's reaction and the ensuing tit-for-tat.
With a war monger like Netanyahu, do you really think Israel will choose de-escalation?
 

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This was an opinion piece by Haaretz you are quoting here, not my text. But unless Biden enacts really hard pressure Netanyahu probably will escalate, and then we can all blame Israel for higher energy prices, a global economy in decline etc.
 

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Well there's some story behind it, the so called "Pizza meter" which is a term coined by Frank Meeks in the 90s. He was the owner of many Dominoe's in and around Washington, D.C., and he observed if something big is going to happen somewhere on the globe 2-3 days before pizza orders from government buildings will skyrocket like crazy.

 

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More Aid vehicles targeted by IDF, which is also blocking crucial aid items such as wheelchairs, maternity kits, and crutches, etc, and finding weak reasons to turn entire aid trucks away.

 
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Israel, early Friday morning local time, launched missiles in a retaliatory strike against Iran, a senior U.S. official told ABC News.

The missile launches follow Iran's attack last Saturday, where the country sent a volley of more than 300 uncrewed drones and missiles toward targets throughout the country, Israeli military officials previously said. All but a few were intercepted by Israel and its allies, including the United States, officials said.