Israeli Settler Council Admits to Systemic Ritual Sexual Abuse Of Children

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None of these goals are promoted by current Israeli and US policy, and AIPAC is a big part of that.
None of these goals have ever been on the USA's and Israel's agenda, but let's pretend they've been at some point in time.
 

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None of these goals are promoted by current Israeli and US policy, and AIPAC is a big part of that.
What realistic alternative do you say there is, though? If AIPAC were to dissolve itself tomorrow, what significant difference would it make to the US' assessment of its economic and strategic interests in the Middle East?
 
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That's what they literally just did.
But what realistic alternative do you see? I mean, besides wiping out each and every single country that happens to shares a border with Israel (which, as we know, has no set borders and constantly expands them exercising its right to exist and its right to self-defence), do you see any actionable way to promote security and peace in the East Med?
 
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I can easily think of any number of ways the US could inadvertently make an already dire situation in the Middle East and the Gulf even worse than at present it is.
I am baffled by your responses sometimes. You just seem to shrug off the status quo as inevitable and minimize Israel's central role in this entire shitshow.
 
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I am baffled by your responses sometimes. You just seem to shrug off the status quo as inevitable and minimize Israel's central role in this entire shitshow.
The status quo exists as a result of 70-something years of history and has been determined, to a greater or lesser degree, by US foreign policy in the region. That policy has always been based on what the US has considered in its own best interests, no matter how horrible some of its local allies are.

Whatever happens I can't see the US changing its view that having Israel as a powerful regional counterweight, along with Saudi, to Iran is in the interests of the US, no matter what Israel does.

To my mind, the central role in whole shitshow has always been played by the US, who've enabled Netanyahu for the past 20-odd years. We can only hope that he's removed by the forthcoming elections (in October, I think), though I'm not sure whoever replaces him will be much of an improvement, and I certainly don't see things getting any better for anyone in the region while Donald Trump is still in power.
 
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The status quo exists as a result of 70-something years of history and has been determined, to a greater or lesser degree, by US foreign policy in the region. That policy has always been based on what the US has considered in its own best interests, no matter how horrible some of its local allies are.

Whatever happens I can't see the US changing its view that having Israel as a powerful regional counterweight, along with Saudi, to Iran is in the interests of the US, no matter what Israel does.

To my mind, the central role in whole shitshow has always been played by the US, who've enabled Netanyahu for the past 20-odd years. We can only hope that he's removed by the forthcoming elections (in October, I think), though I'm not sure whoever replaces him will be much of an improvement, and I certainly don't see things getting any better for anyone in the region while Donald Trump is still in power.
Again, you frame this all as solely being the United States' doing. Netanyahu has wanted war with Iran for 30 years. He has been making the same claims that Iran is two weeks away from nuclear weapons for almost the same amount of time. No other US president was dumb enough or suggestible enough to go along with him. He has gotten Trump to attack Iran twice. Trump just needs some flattery and he bends over. The White House's own site states very clearly we attacked Iran at the request of and to protect Israel. All fucking roads lead to Israel. Yes, Trump is going to do what Trump is going to do - as long as he gets some money or praise out of it). This all conveniently took Epstein out of the headlines somewhat (surprise: all of that leads back to Israel too). However, the ringleader here is Netanyahu.

So now we are in a death spiral with no easy way out. The entire world is beholden to this madness, while Netanyahu and his super moral army continue to slaughter people and grab territory because they think it is theirs anyway because some fairy tale tells them they are special snowflakes. Trump is a barely functioning dementia patient at this point. We are all fucked. I suppose there is the inevitable status quo for you. Russia, Israel and The United States are the Axis of Evil.
 
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Again, you frame this all as solely being the United States' doing. Netanyahu has wanted war with Iran for 30 years. He has been making the same claims that Iran is two weeks away from nuclear weapons for almost the same amount of time. No other US president was dumb enough or suggestible enough to go along with him. He has gotten Trump to attack Iran twice. Trump just needs some flattery and he bends over. The White House's own site states very clearly we attacked Iran at the request of and to protect Israel. All fucking roads lead to Israel. Yes, Trump is going to do what Trump is going to do - as long as he gets some money or praise out of it). This all conveniently took Epstein out of the headlines somewhat (surprise: all of that leads back to Israel too). However, the ringleader here is Netanyahu.

So now we are in a death spiral with no easy way out. The entire world is beholden to this madness, while Netanyahu and his super moral army continue to slaughter people and grab territory because they think it is theirs anyway because some fairy tale tells them they are special snowflakes. Trump is a barely functioning dementia patient at this point. We are all fucked. I suppose there is the inevitable status quo for you. Russia, Israel and The United States are the Axis of Evil.
And even if Netanyahu loses the next election (which he won't, as he's giving Israelis exactly the spectacle they want), there's no realistic possibility that his replacement won't be a racist, expansionist, apartheid-minded piece of trash. The only way for Israel to change is a full-blown boycott of everything about it: education, tech, culture (ROTFLMFAO), agriculture, investors, tourism*, everything. Starve them of money and connections. Isolate them. Like we did to the Afrikaners.

* And I mean even Israeli-owned hotel chains with facilities outside Israel; and Israeli Airbnb "entrepreneurs" with apartments outside Israel.