Has The Israeli Goverment BecomeThe Monster?

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By the way, if you're telling the truth, you're actually going to invite the Press and international, third-party fact-finders and fact-checkers and give them full access so they can see for themselves. Israel, on the other hand, has murdered 200+ journos in Gaza, has barred all international fact-finders and journalists from visiting the area, has had its lobbies get journos fired for their reportage, academics and artists cancelled and threatened. See what's happening in Germany, for instance.
 

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The fact that basically no one in the West acknowledges Syria's and Lebanon's rights to sovereignty
I'd love to hear about how the west acknowledging Syria's sovereignty would end the Syrian civil war. Actually, the Americans offered to help the interim government and were told that their help wasn't needed. The interim government has since fallen into disarray and began targeting non-Muslim ethic minorities south of Damascus.
 

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I'd love to hear about how the west acknowledging Syria's sovereignty would end the Syrian civil war. Actually, the Americans offered to help the interim government and were told that their help wasn't needed. The interim government has since fallen into disarray and began targeting non-Muslim ethic minorities south of Damascus.
According to the EU's diplomacy, "there is no more civil war in Syria". Thanks for pointing out the problems with the interim ex-Al Qaeda government, which was lauded and welcomed by US and EU diplomats, and whitewashed by foreign policy pundits who rushed to rebrand the new "leader" as a "moderate". This is not to diminish, dismiss, or downplay the brutality, corruption, and ineptitude of the Assad regime, mind you. On the subject of acknowledging Syria's sovereignty vs Syrian civil war, the West ought to block Israel from annexing and occupying Syrian lands and make every effort to end the civil war via diplomacy rather than machinations and instigating more flare-ups.
 
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According to the EU's diplomacy, "there is no more civil war in Syria". Thanks for pointing out the problems with the interim ex-Al Qaeda government, which was lauded and welcomed by US and EU diplomats, and whitewashed by foreign policy pundits who rushed to rebrand the new "leader" as a "moderate".
At first it looked like the interim government was going to go about things the right way. Everybody would have liked there to be peace and stability and to have decent-to-good relations with that government, cause that would be better than a civil war.
This is not to diminish, dismiss, or downplay the brutality, corruption, and ineptitude of the Assad regime, mind you.
His regime used sarin gas in more than one chemical weapon attack against citizens of his own country.
On the subject of acknowledging Syria's sovereignty vs Syrian civil war, the West ought to block Israel from annexing and occupying Syrian lands and make every effort to end the civil war via diplomacy rather than machinations and instigating more flare-ups.
The current Syrian government is attacking the Druze people south of Damascus. The Israelis have promised to help the Druze people. So while I didn't support Israel entering Golan Heights at first, I do support them helping others. At first I was also concerned about Israel striking the chemical weapons storage facilities in Syria, but these weapons should not exist, so ultimately I support that action also.

Syria needs a faction to emerge who is righteous enough to gain help from beyond and use that help to restore order, otherwise it could be another 10 years of fighting, which would be bad.

The solution must in part occur from within Syria also. Just my opinion, though. Although there are parts I may not fully agree with, I respect your reply,
 
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At first it looked like the interim government was going to go about things the right way. Everybody would have liked there to be peace and stability and to have decent-to-good relations with that government, cause that would be better than a civil war.
I was in the wary minority that didn't trust him.

His regime used sarin gas in more than one chemical weapon attack against citizens of his own country.
Indeed. When I'd read about it, I couldn't understand what he thought he would achieve with that; it would only make his citizens hate him even more. Even assuming he wanted to make them fear him, fear and shock doesn't work forever - which makes Assad a complete idiot.

The current Syrian government is attacking the Druze people south of Damascus. The Israelis have promised to help the Druze people.
And then, the Israelis bombed them. And then they pretended to care about them.

So while I didn't support Israel entering Golan Heights at first, I do support them helping others.
They'll never help anyone.

At first I was also concerned about Israel striking the chemical weapons storage facilities in Syria, but these weapons should not exist, so ultimately I support that action also.
Remember, you're supporting a country that has multiple nuclear warheads and refuses to sign any treaty against their proliferation or allow the IAEA to come in. Iran, on the other hand, tries to dance around the IAEA, without success (it still tries).

Syria needs a faction to emerge who is righteous enough to gain help from beyond and use that help to restore order, otherwise it could be another 10 years of fighting, which would be bad.
From a secular dictatorship (Assad), Syria went to a jihadist dictatorship. It needs a secular faction that will unite the people under a democratic vision, rout out the jihadists, and kick out whoever tries to take lands from it.

The solution must in part occur from within Syria also. Just my opinion, though. Although there are parts I may not fully agree with, I respect your reply,
An actual solution can come only from within Syria. Puppets of foreign powers will not be a solution.
 
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I was in the wary minority that didn't trust him.
Understandable.
Indeed. When I'd read about it, I couldn't understand what he thought he would achieve with that; it would only make his citizens hate him even more. Even assuming he wanted to make them fear him, fear and shock doesn't work forever - which makes Assad a complete idiot.
I have no idea. But ya.
And then, the Israelis bombed them. And then they pretended to care about them.
I'd have to see more as this goes against what I've been hearing.
They'll never help anyone.
They don't really owe anybody.
Remember, you're supporting a country that has multiple nuclear warheads and refuses to sign any treaty against their proliferation or allow the IAEA to come in. Iran, on the other hand, tries to dance around the IAEA, without success (it still tries).
I don't believe Israel has nuclear weapons or the means to build or acquire them.
From a secular dictatorship (Assad), Syria went to a jihadist dictatorship. It needs a secular faction that will unite the people under a democratic vision, rout out the jihadists, and kick out whoever tries to take lands from it
Yes. That would also work.
An actual solution can come only from within Syria. Puppets of foreign powers will not be a solution.
I guess we agree on that part.
 
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I don't believe Israel has nuclear weapons or the means to build or acquire them.
Wondering how you reached this conclusion, but also understand the history of this country is a vast topic to read about, let alone comprehend.

An extraordinary three-part series on Israeli television The Atom and Me lays out how the country got its nuclear weapons.
What stands out from the television series is the grip Israel has had over US policy regarding Israel’s nuclear weapons.

Not since John Kennedy has any US president tried to rein in Israel’s nuclear program. His successor, Lyndon Johnson, did not challenge the Israelis on nuclear issues (and covered up Israel’s attempt during the 1967 six-day war to sink the US spy ship Liberty). Such has been Israel’s political clout in the United States.
The US hypocrisy about Israel's nuclear weapons must stop


The Atom and Me (TV Mini Series 2024) - Plot - IMDb

The Israeli Gov lies constantly, from beheaded babies to the Hamas duty roster that was really an Arabic calendar, and multiple IDF murders of aid workers.

They definitely have nukes. The official policy is not to confirm or deny it, giving its supporters an easy out, and helping Israel to continue do whatever the hell it wants, including wiping Gaza and its inhabitants off the face of the earth.

Once it's all laid out for examination by the public eye, perhaps years from now, many will claim they didn't know the horrific details. Mostly because they didn't look very far to find them.
 
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