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Eek if so but has anywhere else replicated it?
Nothing is sure, this could be a problem w tests. But I just read something about Chinese who recovered but do not have antibodies. A freakish virus.
 
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Here's some mixed news on antibody testing.


The takeaways is that more people than we think may have already been exposed to it and developed immunity, but that percentage is still a long way from "herd immunity". Mathematically, if more people have been infected than we thought, then the hospitalization and death rates are also lower than we thought.

Los Angeles, CA is being studied:


New Orleans may be a good place to study...

 
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Los Angeles, CA is being studied:

If this theory were true, then why was there an outbreak in Wuhan; shouldn't the Wuhanese have been protected by some kind of herd immunity? If this theory were true, then why wasn't there an outbreak in California much earlier? If this theory were true, was the virus six months ago the same virus as now?
 

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If this theory were true, then why was there an outbreak in Wuhan; shouldn't the Wuhanese have been protected by some kind of herd immunity? If this theory were true, then why wasn't there an outbreak in California much earlier? If this theory were true, was the virus six months ago the same virus as now?
If it was true or not, odds are this strain of c19 is not the exact same strain as the one 6 months ago. The avian flu that rippled through China years back was actually 5 waves. The 1918 pandemic was 3 waves. Each wave had differences from the previous ones.
 

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If this theory were true, then why was there an outbreak in Wuhan; shouldn't the Wuhanese have been protected by some kind of herd immunity? If this theory were true, then why wasn't there an outbreak in California much earlier? If this theory were true, was the virus six months ago the same virus as now?
If true it might be worth looking at other places too.
 

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Some are thinking Covid-19 is acting more like high altitude sickness than pneumonia. That might mean ventilation is counterproductive in the majority of patients, and what they really need is oxygen.

Gets into the high altitude sickness similarity that was reported in Italy. Describes two separate disease processes SARS-COV-2 could cause. One is ARDS which is what they were expecting to get. The other resembles high altitude sickness but does not resolve the same way and may turn into ARDS if the patient survives it. ETA: Some doctors are thinking that an inflammatory anticoagulant could be important with the disease process resembling HAPE.
 
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EVMS CRITICAL CARECOVID-19 MANAGEMENT PROTOCOL (East Virginia Medical School)


Has sections on prophylaxis recommendations and mildly symptomatic patients.

Prophylaxis
While there is very limited data (and none specific for COVID-19), the following “cocktail” may have a role in the prevention/mitigation of COVID-19 disease, especially amongst the most vulnerable citizens in our community; i.e. those over the age of 60 years and those with medical comorbidities. While there is no high level evidence that this cocktail is effective; it is cheap, safe and should be readily available. So what is there to lose? •
Vitamin C 500 mg BID and Quercetin 250-500 mg BID•
Zinc 75-100 mg/day (acetate, gluconate or picolinate). Zinc lozenges are preferred. After 1-2 months, reduce the dose to 30-50 mg/day. •
Melatonin (slow release): Begin with 0.3mg and increase as tolerated to 1-2 mg at night•Vitamin D3 1000-4000 u/day (optimal dose unknown). Likely that those with baseline low 25-OH vitamin D levels and those > living at 40o latitude will benefit the most.

Mildly Symptomatic patients (on floor):•
Vitamin C 500mg BID and Quercetin 250-500 mg BID (if available)•
Zinc 75-100 mg/day•Melatonin 6-12 mg at night (the optimal dose is unknown)•
Vitamin D3 1000-4000 u/day•
Enoxaparin 40-60mg day (if not contraindicated; dose adjust with CrCl < 30ml/min)•
Optional (and if available): Chloroquine 500 mg PO BID for 5 days or hydroxychloroquine 400mg BID day 1 followed by 200mg BID for 4 days•
Observe closely. •
N/C 2L /min if required (max 4 L/min; consider early t/f to ICU for escalation of care). •
Avoid Nebulization and Respiratory treatments. Use “Spinhaler” or MDI and spacer if required. •
Avoid non-invasive ventilation• (emphasis in original)
T/f EARLY to the ICU for increasing respiratory signs/symptoms.


FWIW, among optional treatment components for ICU patients:

"Azithromycin 500 mg day 1 then 250 mg for 4 days (has immunomodulating properties including downregulating IL-6; in addition Rx of concomitant bacterial pneumonia)"

Down regulating IL-6 would help avoid a cytokine storm?
 
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Eek if so but has anywhere else replicated it?
Eek if so but has anywhere else replicated it?
its happened in China and Japan


 

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its happened in China and Japan


Unfortunately both of those are problematic. Both are extremely small positive samples [1 person in a whole country?] and do not seem to point to actual studies. Maybe they were not actually negative when released? It should be looked at, sure, but so far only one of the 3 countries has had their country's equivalent of the cdc weigh in.
 

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Unfortunately both of those are problematic. Both are extremely small positive samples [1 person in a whole country?] and do not seem to point to actual studies. Maybe they were not actually negative when released? It should be looked at, sure, but so far only one of the 3 countries has had their country's equivalent of the cdc weigh in.
The alternative explanation for the observed phenomenon, or so it seems to me, would be that the tests that initially indicated the patients had fully recovered were, in fact, not completely accurate in those two cases -- more research is obviously needed, but the facts on their own tell us little.

This article makes instructive reading and reminded me, certainly, of why I'm content to let the professionals worry about analysing statistical data, so I don't have to:

 

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The alternative explanation for the observed phenomenon, or so it seems to me, would be that the tests that initially indicated the patients had fully recovered were, in fact, not completely accurate in those two cases -- more research is obviously needed, but the facts on their own tell us little.

This article makes instructive reading and reminded me, certainly, of why I'm content to let the professionals worry about analysing statistical data, so I don't have to:

Right, testing errors fit Occam's Razor since usually people who have caught something are immune to it.
 
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Seems pretty important research.