All things Linux

[Clara D.]

But but, GNU's New & Used!

 

[Noodles]

Wow. Copypasta. Also wrong.

Incorrect Quotation - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation

www.gnu.org

There are also Linux distros with a BSD/clang userland, and there are GNU/BSD with a GNU toolchain on top of a BSD kernel, and of course full BSD distros.

DragonflyBSD is probably closer to a usable free microkernel OS than Hurd.

Does he not know what a meme or copypasta is? I don't think it is actually supposed to be an actual quote, just a parody.

Maybe he is trying to parody the copy pasta correcting GNU/Linux by correcting the quote or something.

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

Does he not know what a meme or copypasta is? I don't think it is actually supposed to be an actual quote, just a parody.

Poe's Law. A lot of people think that's something Stallman wrote because they don't realize that Stallman is actually madder about Linux than it suggests. It's a parody that's actually saner than reality.

Like, in his actual words "It is OK to call it “GNU” when you want to be really short, but it is better to call it “GNU/Linux” so as to give Torvalds some credit."

"So as to give Torvalds some credit."

He's serious about that, by the way. He's genuinely upset about Linux being more popular than HURD. Or about literally anyone else getting any credit at all for free software, even free software written before he had his mad over Gosling Emacs and decided to commandeer the term "free software".

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

There are also Linux distros with a BSD/clang userland, and there are GNU/BSD with a GNU toolchain on top of a BSD kernel, and of course full BSD distros.

DragonflyBSD is probably closer to a usable free microkernel OS than Hurd.

Don't forget MINIX3. Since this is the brain child of Andrew Tanenbaum it of course it's a microkernel, using the NetBSD userland.

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

Does he not know what a meme or copypasta is? I don't think it is actually supposed to be an actual quote, just a parody.

I can believe that, cuz it's very clearly a distinction nobody really cares about, and the whole world keeps using "Linux" as shorthand for the OS ^^

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

Minix got a lot of bad press, people don't notice that it's designed for education so it's supposed to be understandable by college students in one semester.

 

[Essence Lumin]

Minix got a lot of bad press, people don't notice that it's designed for education so it's supposed to be understandable by college students in one semester.

So far as I can tell it is no longer used in education (could be wrong). It is in almost all Intel CPUs since 2008 though which is spooky.

MINIX, the Hidden Operating System in Intel Hardware

If you ask any ordinary person which is the most used operating system in the world, the answer they will give you is Windows. But, there really is an operating system within Intel hardware that most are unaware of called MINIX. What is this operating system on your PC and what is it used for?

itigic.com

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

Oh, the Great Minix Wars were in the '90s, which is when everyone was shitting on it for not being what it was not supposed to be. It was a spinoff of the Linus-Tanenbaum flame wars.

 

[Khamon]

Thank Heaven we studied Deitel’s OS text and learned linux in the field. We were taught to use electronics as tools to accomplish tasks. Use what works for you to do what you need to do. Allow people to complete their rambling explanation of your wrongness and better ways. Thank them for their input and use what works for you to do what you need to do.

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

I am now trying out Kubuntu. I've been using it for several days and I like the interface the way it is set up by default so much that, aside from using a different (but still stock) color theme from the one it installs with, I really haven't felt the need to modify or tweak my desktop at all.

I have installed only a single addon that I'm aware of, to fix Dolphin. Dolphin is the GUI file manager, and by default it flat out refuses to open folders or files that require admin privileges. The addon fixes that; now I can right-click something and choose to open as root, and ofc I have to use my password just like if I was using sudo in the terminal; but at least I can do it now. Holy smoke was that infuriating.

But yeah other than that problem which is now fixed, I am very comfortable with the OS. Combined with the fact that I also just accidentally discovered GRUB and how to install it the other day, it's enough that I'm giving Linux a fair shake as my default daily system for a little while.

But that's just the OS. Still plenty of problems with programs and stuff that I'm ferreting out though. For instance, Firestorm wouldn't just install and work like it did on Pop. It seems to expect some GNOMEy dependencies that don't come with Kubuntu so I had to install those to get it working.

 

[Essence Lumin]

Combined with the fact that I also just accidentally discovered GRUB and how to install it the other day, it's enough that I'm giving Linux a fair shake as my default daily system for a little while.

Grub. Be very careful with that particular piece of code (nightmare memories ensue).

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

Grub. Be very careful with that particular piece of code (nightmare memories ensue).

Heh....now I'm scared.

All I want is a menu to let me choose Kubuntu or Windows whenever the computer boots, instead of having to spam DEL for what feels like hours to get to the UEFI.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

Yeah, 90's Minix was created for educational purposes. Minix 3 though is meant as real operating system.

Minix3 has some interesting features: it's a microkernel. Most hardware drivers are running in user space. This makes it possible that Minix3 has a so called reincarnation server: if a hardware driver hangs or slows down, the process will get killed and restarted.

By the way: also the graphics drivers under Windows are running in user mode. Microsoft did this because before Nvidia's kernel based display drivers were one of the major reasons for BSoDs.

 

[Essence Lumin]

Heh....now I'm scared.

All I want is a menu to let me choose Kubuntu or Windows whenever the computer boots, instead of having to spam DEL for what feels like hours to get to the UEFI.

That should be fine. That said, the thing with grub is when you mess around with partition tables there can be big problems if things don't go as expected.

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

Heh....now I'm scared.

All I want is a menu to let me choose Kubuntu or Windows whenever the computer boots, instead of having to spam DEL for what feels like hours to get to the UEFI.

The best boot manager I ever found is BeOS, but I don't think you can run it on any modern computers. I put it on a partition on one of my laptops about 20 years ago (just for yucks, Cryptonomicon to the contrary it wasn't actually ever useful for anything as an OS) and I liked it so much as a boot manager I kept it until the laptop finally died ten years later.

By the way: also the graphics drivers under Windows are running in user mode. Microsoft did this because before Nvidia's kernel based display drivers were one of the major reasons for BSoDs.

They used to run GDI in a separate subsystem too, in NT 3.x, and it was supposed to be able to recover from any failure in the graphics subsystem. They abandoned this in NT 4.0 and the great subsystem purge.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

https://www.haiku-os.org

might give you nostalgic vibes then.

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

What's the opposite of nostalgia?

 

[Free]

What's the opposite of nostalgia?

Sehnsucht - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

I meant "memories of something that sucked" rather than "yearning for something that's good".

I'm not being subtle here. BeOS had a couple of interesting ideas but in general was badly conceived and sucking too hard on the early broken C++ crack pipe. If it had gotten successful it would have been forever fighting with more API upgrade problems like the one they had in networking.

 

[Noodles]

Sehnsucht - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Isn't that a Rammstein song?