Attempts to undermine Australia's gun policy by NRA and One Nation

[Tiffy Vella]

An Australian right wing political party has been filmed by Al Jazeera meeting in the US with the NRA, discussing how to undermine Australia's gun policy in exchange for $20,000,000 in funding. They discuss how to shame anyone who questions this if we have a massacre.

utube linkie

 

[Myficals]

Did you see Ashby and co's deflection attempts, raging about being "infiltrated" and duped in a plot.

One Nation are a fucking cancer on this country. They're a hate group and should be treated as such.

 

[Tiffy Vella]

Yes I did see it, and it makes me feel ill. From what I understand so far, Al Jazeera used a journalist who posed as a grasssroots guns campaigner, and this person was present at the meeting, and did the recording. One Nation has countered the disclosure today by suggesting that it was all underhanded, and making it seem that somehow the reporting is seedy. I bet that this is a talking point installed by the NRA, as they said in some of Al Jazeera's recordings they supply such material whenever needed (even to US groups/pollies who just sign their name to it to make it seem "organic" *VOMIT*).
These people are working to allow mass murder to happen in our (comparatively) peaceful country for profit and I want to rage.
Hanson has been a racist, divisive POS since she began, and it's getting worse.

Also, I do not buy that 3 hours of tossing back whiskies makes you suddenly want to undermine all the good work done re gun control, and willfully sell your country out. As my husband said, the NRA "played those boys like flutes".

 

[Myficals]

The way I see it, even if I were willing to accept the argument that Al Jazeera's activity in pursuit of this story was underhanded (I don't, but nonetheless...), it doesn't change the fact that these two jokers were ready and willing to solicit money and advice for the purposes of undermining our gun laws.

Entrapment, to the best of my knowledge, isn't a thing in our legal system and anyway, this was a journalistic sting, it was never intended to have legal weight. All Al Jazeera was doing was laying bare the lengths PHON are willing to go to and in that sense, they were caught fair and square.

 

[Tiffy Vella]

It is great journalism. it showed us out in the open who these arseholes are and what they are working to do to us behind closed doors. They (both parties) are negotiating to have us potentially massacred by changing our laws in exchange for money and power. i know that sounds melodramatic, but we who are old enough remember what happened at Port Arthur, and we know what we did as a nation to prevent it happening again and why, and so far it has worked, even all these years later.

The NRA cannot abide it and as they said in the recording, if the good example of Australia was negated, it would make their job manipulating the US population a lot easier. They are willing to pay for that.


( I have no legal background so can't answer to entrapment laws, etc)

 

[Myficals]

While I'm of the opinion that Howard's tenure as PM was a blight upon our nation's history, one that we're still paying for today, I will give him props for our gun laws and the way he looked at Port Arthur and said: "enough is enough."

 

[Tiffy Vella]

Yes. Lil Johnny got one thing right. I'm conflicted though because of the despicable "children overboard" lie. Never forgiving that one.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

It certainly does make one wonder how much happens that never comes to light. I have no doubt whatsoever that the NRA is making its politics felt across the world and largely in underhanded manner, working within some of the darkest elements/beliefs of a given country, and I am sorry that they set their sights upon Australia. They have largely succeeded when you look at Russia. It is my hope that a light is shone in their dark little corners wherever they go. They are purveyors of death and their cruelty knows no bound.

 

[Tiffy Vella]

Hanson has framed the reporting as foreign interference- “A Qatari government organisation [al-Jazeera] should not be targeting Australian political parties. This has been referred to Asio,” she tweeted. , while completely ignoring the fact that her party sought the interference of a foreign organisation. She's a nasty piece of of work.

 

[Myficals]

...and I am sorry that they set their sights upon Australia.

Australia has long been a target of the NRA, almost entirely because of our gun ownership laws. After the Port Arthur massacre, the government of the day instituted what are still some of the most, if not the most restrictive ownership laws in the world and by and large they work and are generally not considered overly onerous by the population at large.

For an organisation like the NRA, which as far as I can see exists largely to further the interests of gun manufacturers, a restrictive successful set of ownership laws being in place in a society similar to that in the USA represents a real threat. Our laws stand as a concrete example of how things could be in the USA, in a way that is very difficult to counter. That the NRA would be interested in undermining our laws surprises me in the least.

[/i]n.b.[/i] It should probably be noted though that in this particular case, it was One Nation who approached the NRA (and Koch Industries) asking for money, not the other way round. Also, the meetings ultimately led to nothing substantive in terms of actual money (though they were hopefully priceless in terms of damage to One Nation).

 

[Myficals]

Hanson has framed the reporting as foreign interference- “A Qatari government organisation [al-Jazeera] should not be targeting Australian political parties. This has been referred to Asio,” she tweeted. , while completely ignoring the fact that her party sought the interference of a foreign organisation. She's a nasty piece of of work.

Unsurprising really. They were caught out, they know it. Deflection is the closest thing to a defence they have. The One Nation base will love it as "foreign interference by shifty brown people" plays directly to their prejudices. Everyone else will see it for the dogwhistling it is, and ASIO will take a cursory look at the complaint, then laugh and tell Hanson to fuck off.

Anyway, the Oxleymoron personally has bigger problems than a couple of One Nation operatives begging money from the NRA. Now that turns out she got some of her famous "questions" about Port Arthur. Being caught out suggesting that it might have been some sort of false flag operation, that's got her scared.

 

[Ashiri]

and ASIO will take a cursory look at the complaint, then laugh and tell Hanson to fuck off.

Anyway, the Oxleymoron personally has bigger problems than a couple of One Nation operatives begging money from the NRA. Now that turns out she got some of her famous "questions" about Port Arthur. Being caught out suggesting that it might have been some sort of false flag operation, that's got her scared.

Perhaps attracting the attention of ASIO isn't a very bright thing to do.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Australia has long been a target of the NRA, almost entirely because of our gun ownership laws. After the Port Arthur massacre, the government of the day instituted what are still some of the most, if not the most restrictive ownership laws in the world and by and large they work and are generally not considered overly onerous by the population at large.

For an organisation like the NRA, which as far as I can see exists largely to further the interests of gun manufacturers, a restrictive successful set of ownership laws being in place in a society similar to that in the USA represents a real threat. Our laws stand as a concrete example of how things could be in the USA, in a way that is very difficult to counter. That the NRA would be interested in undermining our laws surprises me in the least.

[/i]n.b.[/i] It should probably be noted though that in this particular case, it was One Nation who approached the NRA (and Koch Industries) asking for money, not the other way round. Also, the meetings ultimately led to nothing substantive in terms of actual money (though they were hopefully priceless in terms of damage to One Nation).

Yep, I knew that from having read the article. I did just want to convey that I was sorry that we have such an organization trying to meddle in your affairs regardless of how they get involved. Their primers on how to deal with the backlash from a massacre alone tell us how cruel and manipulative they are.

 

[Brenda Archer]

An example of NRA fuckery at home.

 

[Clara D.]

Openly supporting wife-beaters. WTF?

 

[Myficals]

Perhaps attracting the attention of ASIO isn't a very bright thing to do.

Intellect is not exactly one of Hanson's strong points.