Will we have normal presidential debates this cycle?

Do you believe that President Trump will participate in any debates?


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I don't think that the 2020 elections are about trying to convince the Trumpeteers not to vote for 45 again. That will not happen. With or without tv debates. The Trumpeteers are not interested in what 45 has to say. They want to piss off establishment.
The Dem candidate and all the other Dems in the nation have to concentrate to persuade all the others to lift their asses from their sofas in front of their tv's and actually go out and cast their votes even if it is the first and only time in their lives.
I don't know. It's hard to judge what people are thinking against what we're told people are thinking. I'm willing to bet if you offer Americans something they really want and need, something genuine, then they become less stupid and lazy than you think. Most Americans aren't watching TV on Election Tuesday, they're working. I've watched poor people stand in line for hours to vote. Winning this next election is a no-brainer. The Democrats could declare victory right now. They have one candidate who could burn Trump to the ground and they know it. People don't need to be persuaded about anything, they simply need to be allowed.
 

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Winning this next election is a no-brainer. The Democrats could declare victory right now. They have one candidate who could burn Trump to the ground and they know it. People don't need to be persuaded about anything, they simply need to be allowed.
The Republicans are already running ads about Medicare for All taking away their employer provided health insurance. It doesn't matter if what is gained is better. It doesn't matter if the additional taxes are less than they are paying through other means now. The attack ads will be: "higher taxes" and "lose your current healthcare". The Dems can easily turn a good chance at a win into no chance at all. People don't vote for higher taxes - and no matter what is behind this idea - that is what they will be told and what they will vote on if there's no option to keep your current insurance.

Even so, on top of that, so long as Mitch McConnell is blocking protection for the election systems, who votes for who won't really matter. Hackers will decide.
 

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The Republicans are already running ads about Medicare for All taking away their employer provided health insurance. It doesn't matter if what is gained is better. It doesn't matter if the additional taxes are less than they are paying through other means now. The attack ads will be: "higher taxes" and "lose your current healthcare". The Dems can easily turn a good chance at a win into no chance at all. People don't vote for higher taxes - and no matter what is behind this idea - that is what they will be told and what they will vote on if there's no option to keep your current insurance.

Even so, on top of that, so long as Mitch McConnell is blocking protection for the election systems, who votes for who won't really matter. Hackers will decide.
Well in light of all of these points, and others, I may have to backpedal on the no-brainer. While I'm doing that, I may as well go all the way. I'm afraid that even if the Democrats pull a big win out of their hat with M4All, Climate Change, and income inequality, the fight that comes next is probably going to make the election look like Spring Break. I can't even imagine what that American looks like and the amount of propaganda and brute force that would be thrown back at the people. I hope Marianne Williamson is right about the power of the mind being greater than nuclear radiation, because I'm afraid the the corporations will think otherwise.
 

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The economy is starting to show the effects of what'sizname's tariff policies. While it won't bother the true believers, the economy is where things really hit the road.
Yup. And he's doubling down and imposing another 10 percent tariff against China on pretty much - well, everything!

I'm really conflicted right now. I want Trump to fail so there's no chance of him being reelected. But hoping for him to fail is like hoping the pilot flying the plane you're on fails. Any which way this goes, it's going to hurt.
 

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To answer the question in the title: No.

Nothing involving Trump will be "normal."
 
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This could help us, if he’s allowed to rant.
Sadly, this is exactly what got him elected last time. He just threw shit out with no basis in reality, and those who liked what he said bought it without question. Saying shit that is demonstrably a lie is actually his greatest strength because his supporters don't care if it's true or not: they just BELIEVE.
 
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It isn't so that the founding fathers ordered tv debates, is it?
Kennedy - Nixon was the first one if I recall correctly. So most presidents have been chosen without having them.
There have been debates in different presidential before, it was just that JFK/Nixon was the first TV one and recent so people remember it. While they are more standardised now Lincoln/Douglas is a good example.
 
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The economy is starting to show the effects of what'sizname's tariff policies. While it won't bother the true believers, the economy is where things really hit the road.
His base is with him no matter what. The people that actually were the big money donors though do not care about what he tells the marks.
 
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His base is with him no matter what. The people that actually were the big money donors though do not care about what he tells the marks.
I'm sure whatever Russians were involved in '16 get a good laugh: "Those idiots *voted* for this idiot."
 
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Sadly, this is exactly what got him elected last time. He just threw shit out with no basis in reality, and those who liked what he said bought it without question. Saying shit that is demonstrably a lie is actually his greatest strength because his supporters don't care if it's true or not: they just BELIEVE.
2016 did horrible things to my already bleak view of the general public.
 

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His base is with him no matter what. The people that actually were the big money donors though do not care about what he tells the marks.
But the debates are no mandatory part of the election process.
That was mainly my point.
So if a candidate thinks skipping the debates has a possitive effect on his/her campaign, why not? No election rule to stop him/her.
 
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Sadly, this is exactly what got him elected last time. He just threw shit out with no basis in reality, and those who liked what he said bought it without question. Saying shit that is demonstrably a lie is actually his greatest strength because his supporters don't care if it's true or not: they just BELIEVE.
I was thinking of obvious senile blather - but maybe the base will even like that.
 

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Not really. His "base" are his base. But, there are a lot of Trump voters who voted for economic-only reasons, especially in swing states. Those voters are key to any win.
Hopefully those "economic" voters are intelligent enough to recognize what Trumpster's "trade war" is doing to American industry and are ready to give him the boot. He's really not doing anyone favors by (A) driving up costs for imported materials/components and (B) causing other countries to institute counter-tariffs.

I think his mental condition is so much worse now that his handlers will find some way to keep him off the stage. They don't dare risk him having a meltdown on live TV. If the general public becomes aware of just how unstable he is now, compared to a few years ago, there will be reckoning of some kind.
There will still be the "ZOMG LIBRULS" crowd that would vote for cesspool sludge if it was Cesspool Sludge (Rep) and the idiots/racists who would vote for him if he started flopping around on the floor and spewing obscenities -- because that would be "keeping it real" and "telling it like it is." His handlers might let him go for it because to a good chunk of his base he can literally do no wrong.
 

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But the debates are no mandatory part of the election process.
That was mainly my point.
So if a candidate thinks skipping the debates has a possitive effect on his/her campaign, why not? No election rule to stop him/her.
That may be true, but the same could be said of releasing their tax returns. Certain practices have over time become the "norm" for how we handle elections in the US in order to better understand the positions, strengths and weaknesses of the candidates. When they get ignored, it weakens the process. There is a "sameness" in our elections that serves to protect us - not from hackers or foreign influence, but that's another issue.
 
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That may be true, but the same could be said of releasing their tax returns. Certain practices have over time become the "norm" for how we handle elections in the US in order to better understand the positions, strengths and weaknesses of the candidates. When they get ignored, it weakens the process. There is a "sameness" in our elections that serves to protect us - not from hackers or foreign influence, but that's another issue.
Yes, if Trump has shown us anything it is that he (and the Republicans) are more than willing to shatter the practices that have endured over time. Some of them probably should have been written into law, and are being attempted to be written as we speak (such as tax releases).

We just haven't had someone so willing to flout himself above the norms, in every way. If it's shady, under-handed or can be used as a means of propaganda, he's your man.

He's a SERIOUS stress test of our system, that I am not even sure will hold, but of course have hope that it will be counterbalanced.