Why Is There Little Support For Signature Alice?

[Cristiano]

Interesting comments in this reddit thread on why certain bodies lack support:

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

Happy to see Kupra mentioned on the thread but sad to see some creators stopped making stuff for it since it's not seen as one of the big ones anymore....

And yeah, I've heard a few tales of body creators being weird jerks to anyone asking for a dev kit. I think if I wanted to become a body creator I'd want to spend some money on marketing and give some dev kits out for free and maybe even commission some clothing designers to make stuff for it. a lot of GREAT SL creators are either jerks or just rely too much on word of mouth advertising.

...there are also too many bodies out there that don't do anything unique. The thread pointed out how many bodies aren't really targeting a hole in the market. We have bodies for skinny people, curvy people, very curvy people, EXTREMELY curvy people... I think there is still a shortage of some oddball shapes but obviously the markets for those is more scarce.


A lot of what I said also applies to why RL businesses fail. Like Oh really? you want to start your own business? GREAT! ....but oh.. you want to be the 200th person to open a bar in this city who doesn't understand how marketing works? Good luck with that...

 

[Free]

It came out in - I think - 2019? It hasn't been updated since, and Signature I don't believe was ever an extremely popular brand.

 

[Cristiano]

It came out in - I think - 2019? It hasn't been updated since, and Signature I don't believe was ever an extremely popular brand.

Signature Gianni was the most popular male body for a long time. It has been eclipsed by Legacy, and their newer body Davis did not catch on. I can’t speak to the female side. I posted more because I thought the insight into the body market was interesting in the comments.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

One other thing to point out is that replacing a mesh body once you committed to one can be a horribly massive undertaking. Just learning a new setup takes a long time. Replacing a wardrobe is time consuming and very expensive. So I can relate to people who invested heavily in a failed body and don't want to update just yet.

This also creates a big barrier to entry for new body creators. Why would you want to spend thousands of lindens and a lot of time to take a chance on a body you don't know will catch on?

 

[Free]

Signature Gianni was the most popular male body for a long time. It has been eclipsed by Legacy, and their newer body Davis did not catch on. I can’t speak to the female side.

I can't speak to the male side, either.

 

[Sid]

Signature Gianni was the most popular male body for a long time. It has been eclipsed by Legacy, and their newer body Davis did not catch on. I can’t speak to the female side. I posted more because I thought the insight into the body market was interesting in the comments.

I still have a Gianni body, and don't plan to change any time soon.
At least 90% of the new stuff still supports Signature Gianni. And besides my inventory is full with Gianni stuff.
Most males are not so triggered by all kinds of fashion changes I guess.

 

[Cristiano]

I still have a Gianni body, and don't plan to change any time soon.
At least 90% of the new stuff still supports Signature Gianni. And besides my inventory is full with Gianni stuff.
Most males are not so triggered by all kinds of fashion changes I guess.

Trust me, I buy A LOT of clothing. Jake and Legacy are the standards now. Some brands still do Gianni but it is shrinking. I have lots of newer stuff that did not come with Gianni. The complaint from designers is Signature bodies are particularly hard to rig for, and Signature ignored complaints about improving their SDK. I remember when Noche very loudly announced they were dropping support for Signature, and others have followed. As I am not getting into clothing design, I understand the complaints. I will not be rigging for Signature I don't think.

 

[Tirellia]

I tried the Alice body around v2.0 and it was just plain horrible. It had so many ugly flaws that it wasn't worth persisting with. This thread made me go back to Signature and get an update to v5.0 for the alt who owns it. How did Signature manage to not send out the updates? If they relied on people wearing the body they probably sent out a few to people who forgot they were logged in. The latest version looks decent but I have no idea where to buy clothes for it. It was a missed opportunity.

 

[Sid]

Trust me, I buy A LOT of clothing. Jake and Legacy are the standards now. Some brands still do Gianni but it is shrinking

I´m not that much into fashion at all. I have some clothing for almost every occasion. An awful lot middle of the road and easy to combine.
So I will postpone changing to another body as long as possible. All I´m still looking for is a decent suit, but damn they make awful pants these days, as if it is a crime that they fit properly. IMHO a suit has to be a suit, not a bag of wrinkles.

 

[Cristiano]

I´m not that much into fashion at all. I have some clothing for almost every occasion. An awful lot middle of the road and easy to combine.
So I will postpone changing to another body as long as possible. All I´m still looking for is a decent suit, but damn they make awful pants these days, as if it is a crime that they fit properly. IMHO a suit has to be a suit, not a bag of wrinkles.

No one knows more about suits (birthday and otherwise) is SL than I do. If you want some advice, let me know. I would be happy to show you the best ones.

 

[Cindy Claveau]

One other thing to point out is that replacing a mesh body once you committed to one can be a horribly massive undertaking. Just learning a new setup takes a long time. Replacing a wardrobe is time consuming and very expensive. So I can relate to people who invested heavily in a failed body and don't want to update just yet.

Sometimes I just want to log in, pick up a couple of new outfits and go dancing. I don't want to dicker with the nerdy details or remember why BOM isn't showing up like it did yesterday.

It's not even the same as game updates. Most of the time, your setup will remain unchanged through a major update but then there's Windows 10 to 11. Phew.

 

[Kalel]

Happy to see Kupra mentioned on the thread but sad to see some creators stopped making stuff for it since it's not seen as one of the big ones anymore....

acess to devkits and rigging is a constant complaint i hear from everyone that does mesh.. people won't put in the time and effort if it won't sell. And from what i can tell it takes alot to rig and support a single dress across so many different bodies. I've heard many stories from new and exprienced store owners wanting to get the devkit for a certain body but having to find someone who already owns it to get it from them.

As someone who owns over a dozen different bodies the market is pretty flooded... theres not really anything unique... Button positions And how the body alpha cuts, body morph presets maybe different from hud to hud but it's pretty much the same to me.

marketing is also a big thing. the creator who make bodies arn't usually the best when it comes to business and marketing and dealing with people. There are many stories on how they can be "Jerks" when it comes to who can get their devkit or not... some of them require a signing of a contract to having to already be an established creator to even get it.



[SP] Peach body had allot of support, a full team behind it and great marketing and i thought it would be big i rarely see them retailers or shopping events i do weekly off seraphimSL.

Antonomy body is supposed to be more versatile body and i saw its merits in the demo.. appeared last year at the skin fair.... haven't seen anything for it outside of it's discord.

Male side:
Legacy and jake dominate the market. Good balance between Skinny and thick. most men own one or the other
niramyth aesthetic is still around but support is MIA
Kario continues to struggle to break the market but support is slow.( something with devkit acess or rigging maybe?)
I think Signature due to lack of updates for a long time is trying to re-coup now but it's really late and not in thier favor right now.



Female:
maitreya won the mesh body early on They have longevity on their side. after lots of complaints finally updated. Everyone owns this body at some point.
Reborn has good marketing and support and is the current go to for trending female bodies right now.
Kupra struggling for support like it's male counterpart...

Ebody and inithum host their own events for creators who create clothing for thier own bodies... i usually see something about attachments or sales every now and then... i haven't heard a peep from signature...


i'm honestly surprised no one has come out with an ultimate body that can swap between different rigs like an omega applier...

 

[Lexxi]

i'm honestly surprised no one has come out with an ultimate body that can swap between different rigs like an omega applier...

I posted that in the Legacy Bombshell thread. I think. I forget now.

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/EVE-Fusion-Mesh-body-new-generation/25687791

https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Adam-Fusion-mesh-body-new-generation/25752928

No idea how good or bad either or at the morphing.

(I really don't mean to keep mentioning them, I have no connection to either body - don't own it, wear it, etc. (haven't been in SL since before it came out, I think))

 

[Noodles]

One other thing to point out is that replacing a mesh body once you committed to one can be a horribly massive undertaking. Just learning a new setup takes a long time. Replacing a wardrobe is time consuming and very expensive. So I can relate to people who invested heavily in a failed body and don't want to update just yet.

This is the real issue.

I have, basically two avatars I use "regularly". One has Maitreya forever, but I decided to try using Legacy on it. I keep going back just because, all my stuff is Maitreya. I have a few with Legacy options, but not everything.

The other had Slink for ages, but I finally figured I should just move to Maitreya when Slink closed. Fortunately, that was not too bad since Maitreya is so popular. But more recently I moved (again) to eBody Reborn on that one, and same problem. All my stuff is on another body. So I keep going back.

I have not even looked at LaraX. Why bother?