Warren Confirms Sanders Told Her A Woman Could Not Win In 2020

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The same people that won't vote for a woman might not be very likely to vote for a Jewish guy either.
 

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The real question is, is Sanders a misogynist? Although I would vote for him over Trump in half a heartbeat in the general election, I would have serious reservations about choosing him over another Democrat in the primaries if this is the case. I want a president who is fully on board with women's rights issues. If he's not all in, then we need someone who is.
I don't see it as him being misogynistic. I've even said the same thing myself when I'm feeling particularly pessimistic. I see it as recognition of the misogyny inherent in the voting public, which includes women who flat out wouldn't vote for a female, as well. I don't know if it was the Clinton campaign or if it's now more visible, but it certainly seems to be on the rise. Many seem incredibly proud to be misogynistic. The inclusion of the gamergate people and their ilk into the alt-right probably plays a part, as well.

I'm not saying a woman cannot win. It definitely is an obstacle as there will be a set percentage who just refuse to vote for them based upon the one trait.
 

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I can can certainly imagine people in politics, in a party discussing the issue. What I question is who brought out this quote, at this time? This is what should be scrutinized.
 

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The same people that won't vote for a woman might not be very likely to vote for a Jewish guy either.
I've been hesitant to bring this up again. But, I think its more true now than ever. Antisemitic attacks in the US doubled last year and included the most violent antisemitic attack in US history. Hate groups are emboldened and the casually racist don't feel a need to hide their sentiments any longer (this is not limited to Jews, by any means).
 

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Sigh.... the guy is 78.
Freaking 78.
78!!!

The best way to loose against Trump is to send in a real old timer.
People younger than 50 can't identify with someone that old. He is from two/three generations ago.
 

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Is there any actual evidence that Sanders is prejudiced against women?
There's this: Bernie Sanders won't rule out presidential bid, touts Elizabeth Warren

New evidence has surfaced that Sanders planted this 2013 story for plausible deniability. He pretended to support an Elizabeth Warren presidential run, made Nina Turner and Carmen Yulín Cruz Soto co-chairs of his campaign, and Bernie Sanders’s Hard Fight for Hillary Clinton . Also, Bernie Sanders says Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will work in his administration if he's president
 

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Sigh.... the guy is 78.
Freaking 78.
78!!!

The best way to loose against Trump is to send in a real old timer.
People younger than 50 can't identify with someone that old. He is from two/three generations ago.
Nope, doesn't apply. Ironically, support for Sanders is strongest among the younger age groups, and weaker among older age groups.
 

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Sigh.... the guy is 78.
Freaking 78.
78!!!

The best way to loose against Trump is to send in a real old timer.
People younger than 50 can't identify with someone that old. He is from two/three generations ago.
This is working against Biden, but Sanders seems to have age Teflon - the concerns just bounce off him. He is the only candidate who is getting favor in the young lefty spaces where I hang out. Either Warren isn’t doing the outreach, or she’s done something fatal already that I can’t see from my position. I actually prefer Warren, and she’s in a much better position with party insiders than Sanders.

Trump being too openly sexist against Warren could backfire with any remaining Republican women who aren’t theocratic. But there are a lot of misogyny voters.
 

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TL;DR Bernie called Trump sexist and racist and said he'd weaponize anything he could. Warren is characterizing this as Sanders telling her a woman can't win, though she isn't even trying to quote him.

This is in a meeting where they probably discussed the challenges each of them would have. Trump would mobilize the sexists. Trump would call Bernie a socialist. They probably discussed lots of attacks each would face.

Sanders asked Warren to run in 2016 and he ran only because she didn't.

This is bullshit.

Biden said something similar a couple weeks ago and that got zero attention, even from his detractors.

 
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This is working against Biden, but Sanders seems to have age Teflon - the concerns just bounce off him. He is the only candidate who is getting favor in the young lefty spaces where I hang out. Either Warren isn’t doing the outreach, or she’s done something fatal already that I can’t see from my position.
Let me fill in some of those details by describing the first of the smears on Sanders that happened yesterday.

Someone on the Sanders volunteer slack forum, who had one post to his credit prior, posted a document describing a strategy to use against Warren: say that she appeals to affluent, well-educated people and brings no new blood into the Democratic voter base. The moderators promptly took it down and said it was not a campaign source, and pointed to training that explicitly instructs not to talk negatively of other candidates or even to contrast with them. Warren was asked at a presser about this and she said she was disappointed in Bernie and wished his campaign would take a different direction.

There are three things you should take from this:

1) That Warren appeals to older, affluent, well-educated voters, while not actually a Sanders campaign strategy, is factual. It's not even a smear. Sanders would do well to appeal to those people, too.

2) Young people are less trusting of the media and see this as a media-contrived smear. To them, Warren may look like she was easily duped, possibly complicit. This contrived fight between Warren and Sanders was likely to benefit Sanders. But it was overshadowed by CNN's next conveniently timed smear.

3) Voting against the media is a thing. MSNBC and CNN may be Trump's unwitting, greatest boosters, and they are also Sanders' unwitting boosters. Young people don't like Bernie because he is a charming old man. They like him because he expresses their concerns and shares their media cynicism.
 
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Let me fill in some of those details by describing the first of the smears on Sanders that happened yesterday.

Someone on the Sanders volunteer slack forum, who had one post to his credit prior, posted a document describing a strategy to use against Warren: say that she appeals to affluent, well-educated people and brings no new blood into the Democratic voter base. The moderators promptly took it down and said it was not a campaign source, and pointed to training that explicitly instructs not to talk negatively of other candidates or even to contrast with them. Warren was asked at a presser about this and she said she was disappointed in Bernie and wished his campaign would take a different direction.

There are three things you should take from this:

1) That Warren appeals to older, affluent, well-educated voters, while not actually a Sanders campaign strategy, is factual. It's not even a smear. Sanders would do well to appeal to those people, too.

2) Young people are less trusting of the media and see this as a media-contrived smear. To them, Warren may look like she was easily duped, possibly complicit. This contrived fight between Warren and Sanders was likely to benefit Sanders. But it was overshadowed by CNN's next conveniently timed smear.

3) Voting against the media is a thing. MSNBC and CNN may be Trump's unwitting, greatest boosters, and they are also Sanders' unwitting boosters. Young people don't like Bernie because he is a charming old man. They like him because he expresses their concerns and shares their media cynicism.

LOL no. You all keep forgetting I'm from northern New England and have lived and worked in VT. I don't need the media to tell me who Bernie is.

I'm not talking about the events of the past week and don't give a damn about the TV because (as I've repeatedly said) I don't watch TV. I don't even OWN a TV. I. don't. care. what they say.

The insignificance of Warren in young lefty spaces didn't pop up in the last month, it's been ongoing. Whatever she did to become irrelevant there happened a long time ago. Similarly, Sanders didn't pop out of nowhere, he's been saying what he says to Vermont voters for a *very long time* and he's ideologically consistent. *Vermont keeps electing him* and I know those people, they're MY people, do you understand?

Sanders' wife is from academia and it's pretty silly for anyone to say he's unaware of this demographic or unable to reach out to it. However, she's had some problems and the opposition will make hay out of that in the general.
 

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LOL no. You all keep forgetting I'm from northern New England and have lived and worked in VT. I don't need the media to tell me who Bernie is.

I'm not talking about the events of the past week and don't give a damn about the TV because (as I've repeatedly said) I don't watch TV. I don't even OWN a TV. I. don't. care. what they say.
I don't think I wrote anything about you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ In fact I described a TV thing assuming you hadn't seen it, since it appeared you hadn't.

Bad Bernie media coverage that nobody at VVO delighted in? I assumed it had gone unnoticed. What else was I to believe? :ROFLMAO:
 
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LOL no. You all keep forgetting I'm from northern New England and have lived and worked in VT. I don't need the media to tell me who Bernie is.

I'm not talking about the events of the past week and don't give a damn about the TV because (as I've repeatedly said) I don't watch TV. I don't even OWN a TV. I. don't. care. what they say.

The insignificance of Warren in young lefty spaces didn't pop up in the last month, it's been ongoing. Whatever she did to become irrelevant there happened a long time ago. Similarly, Sanders didn't pop out of nowhere, he's been saying what he says to Vermont voters for a *very long time* and he's ideologically consistent. *Vermont keeps electing him* and I know those people, they're MY people, do you understand?

Sanders' wife is from academia and it's pretty silly for anyone to say he's unaware of this demographic or unable to reach out to it. However, she's had some problems and the opposition will make hay out of that in the general.
It's ongoing because he built that goodwill with policy years ago, not this year. His plans are more transformative and he hasn't hemmed and hawed about them.
 

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I don't agree with the stance that a "woman probably can't win"
I don't think Sanders does, either. I think Warren is conflating his dreading Trump's attacks with his doubting she could beat him. But I haven't seen the debate or recent coverage, so he or she may have clarified this. But I'm not hopeful.
 

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I don't think Sanders does, either. I think Warren is conflating his dreading Trump's attacks with his doubting she could beat him. But I haven't seen the debate or recent coverage, so he or she may have clarified this. But I'm not hopeful.
It's good that you're not hopeful. Rather than really clarifying anything, the closing moments of the debate left us with a mushroom cloud cliffhanger.