UnitedHealthcare CEO Assassinated In NYC

[Soen Eber]

Later this year, after the economy has crashed and large numbers of people find themselves impoverished without a whisper of government assistance, these kinds of indiscriminate incidents will increase exponentially.

Neo-anarchism. It'll be like the anarchist movements 100 years ago.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Bluesky

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[Innula Zenovka]

Open link in The Guardian

I note that the article explains

Speaking generally, Sam Roberts, a staff attorney with the Legal Aid Society’s homicide defense task force, said that police can gather DNA from items such as a beverage cup at the station. Using this as evidence at trial, however, could prove tricky as there are issues surrounding potential contamination.

Roberts said that while people might think some cases just crumble outright from evidence issues, this is rarely true.

“In high-profile violent felony cases, a murder case, there’s this whole popular perception that ‘the killer walked free on a technicality’,” Roberts said. “That is kind of what the perception is in the popular mindset. So judges are going to, in my opinion, bend over backwards to find a way to keep the evidence in.

To my mind, if we can agree that the interests of justice require not only that innocent defendants should be acquitted but also that guilty defendants should be convicted, I'd have thought that the test ought to be whether the manner in which the evidence was collected, stored and handled renders it unreliable. If the judge thinks that, despite any irregularities in the way in which it was obtained, it's nevertheless reliable and not unduly prejudicial, then it should be allowed in.

As a noted jurist remarked during one revision of the rules of criminal procedure over here many years ago, the point of the rules is to ensure a fair trial, not to give a guilty defendant, nevertheless, a sporting chance of acquittal.

 

[Noodles]

Did I find this one through here? I hope not.

The internet’s obsession with Luigi Mangione is testing Reddit’s limits

“This sub has been placed in restricted mode, and the main mod was suspended for approving comments that mentioned ‘luigi,’” a post on r/popculture claimed. “Apparently, saying ‘luigi’ is now against the rules too, even though they never told us. All comments with the word ‘luigi’ get flagged as possibly inciting violence.”

...


Separately, Reddit’s safety team recently issued a warning to users that subreddits found promoting or amplifying violent content could face consequences. “Today we are rolling out a new (sort of) enforcement action across the site,” the alert read. “Starting today, users who, within a certain timeframe, upvote several pieces of content banned for violating our policies will begin to receive a warning.” (Upvotes and downvotes are core to Reddit’s algorithm, determining a post’s visibility.)

Not just censoring use of the word, but your up/downvotes too.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Nintendo right now.

 

[Soen Eber]

The phonetic pronunciation of the name "Luigi" in Italian is roughly [luˈi.d͡ʒi]

 

[Soen Eber]

Open link in The Guardian

I note that the article explains



To my mind, if we can agree that the interests of justice require not only that innocent defendants should be acquitted but also that guilty defendants should be convicted, I'd have thought that the test ought to be whether the manner in which the evidence was collected, stored and handled renders it unreliable. If the judge thinks that, despite any irregularities in the way in which it was obtained, it's nevertheless reliable and not unduly prejudicial, then it should be allowed in.

As a noted jurist remarked during one revision of the rules of criminal procedure over here many years ago, the point of the rules is to ensure a fair trial, not to give a guilty defendant, nevertheless, a sporting chance of acquittal.

Having checks on the ability of police to collect evidence is one of the few ways to ensure civil rights are protected. Police cannot detain an individual, even if only to have a conversation, without reasonable suspicion, and can then only investigate anything related to the probable cause [a higher standard], anything covered by the "plain view" doctrine, or anything confessed by the detainee - which is also why there is widespread instruction not to talk to the police without a lawyer present. Evidentiary rules exist to protect average citizens from police harassment, and are rather jealously guarded by the courts in the U.S.

The courts are not just concerned with protecting the innocent and punishing the guilty, but to keep a leash on police powers lest they grow out of control - a special concern that has always been prominent here.

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

The phonetic pronunciation of the name "Luigi" in Italian is roughly [luˈi.d͡ʒi]

In Japanese, the word 類似 [Ruiji] means likeness or similarity.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Having checks on the ability of police to collect evidence is one of the few ways to ensure civil rights are protected. Police cannot detain an individual, even if only to have a conversation, without probable cause, and can then only investigate anything related to the probable cause, anything covered by the "plain view" doctrine, or anything confessed by the detainee - which is also why there is widespread instruction not to talk to the police without a lawyer present. Evidentiary rules exist to protect average citizens from police harassment, and are rather jealously guarded by the courts in the U.S.

The courts are not just concerned with protecting the innocent and punishing the guilty, but to keep a leash on police powers lest they grow out of control - a special concern that has always been prominent here.

Would not a better way of protecting the public both from criminals and from police harassment be to use the criminal and civil law to punish officers who abuse their powers rather than to allow both guilty defendants and guilty officers to get away with their misdeeds?

ETA: I understand your point, but in the UK we manage perfectly well with the presumption that if evidence is not collected in accordance with the Police and Criminal Evidence Act and subsequent legislation, or if the manner of its collection contravenes the European Convention on Human Rights, then the judge should exclude it, but that decision is up to the judge. It's not automatic in all circumstances.

From an admittedly great distance this looks to me like one of those examples of what can go wrong if you take what might seem to be a good idea ("people should enjoy free speech," "people should be allowed to keep firearms for self-defence and for recreation," "the police should be subject to constraints on how they collect evident") and turn it into a hard and fast rule that applies at all times and in all circumstances without regard for the consequences.

 

[Beebo Brink]

Would not a better way of protecting the public both from criminals and from police harassment be to use the criminal and civil law to punish officers who abuse their powers....

 

[Free]

No surprise here.

Federal prosecutors to seek death penalty for Luigi Mangione in UnitedHealthcare CEO's killing

U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi said she has directed prosecutors to seek the death penalty against Luigi Mangione in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

apnews.com

 

[Essence Lumin]

Federal prosecutors to seek death penalty for Luigi Mangione in UnitedHealthcare CEO's killing

U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi said she has directed prosecutors to seek the death penalty against Luigi Mangione in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

apnews.com

I don't believe in the death penalty. Even more so when it is doled out to someone only because they killed a rich ceo.

 

[Cindy Claveau]

 

[Free]

Attorney General Seeks Death Penalty For All UnitedHealthcare Customers

theonion.com

Cuts a little too close...

 

[Noodles]

The phonetic pronunciation of the name "Luigi" in Italian is roughly [luˈi.d͡ʒi]

You can't just make up fake letters. It's Italian not Japanese.

In Japanese, the word 類似 [Ruiji] means likeness or similarity.

See, someone gets it.

Also, side note, is Luigi named that because he is a "likeness of Mario" as Player 2?

 

[Soen Eber]

You can't just make up fake letters. It's Italian not Japanese.



See, someone gets it.

Also, side note, is Luigi named that because he is a "likeness of Mario" as Player 2?

They're not fake letters. luˈi.d͡ʒi is the pronunciation for Luigi as defined by the International Phonetic Association. I offered it as a way to include Luigi's name without having a post censored or deleted. You often see the IPA symbols in dictionaries as a pronunciation guide.

While I only have surface-level knowledge of the symbols, it roughly breaks down to lu = lu,ˈi = i, .d͡ʒ = a soft g, and i = i
...guess you have to be a word nerd to get it


Filtering systems probably don't even have it coded in as a block, although eventually they could include the unicode in their filters.

 

[Free]

Luigi Mangione's Legal Defense Fundraiser Tops $1 Million

Mangione's lawyers say cops searched his backpack without a warrant.

gizmodo.com

A fundraiser for Luigi Mangione, the man accused of killing the CEO of UnitedHealthcare in New York last year, has raised over $1 million. The fundraiser surpassed that milestone on Tuesday, Mangione’s 27th birthday, and comes as his legal defense has sought to get much of the evidence obtained by police when Mangione was arrested tossed out.

The $1 million has come from over 28,000 individual contributions, with a median donation of about $20, according to a press release from the fundraisers at GiveSendGo. Other fundraisers started on more mainstream crowdfunding sites like GoFundMe were shut down for violating their terms of service.

 

[Isabeau]

UnitedHealth sued over plummeting share price in the wake of CEO’s murder

Investors say United HealthCare, the third largest public healthcare company in the world by market value, shifted away from its much maligned practice of denying treatment and claims, without publicly disclosing the impact on company profits.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

“Public”

lol

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

UnitedHealth sued over plummeting share price in the wake of CEO’s murder

This lawsuit is so weirdly worded.

In a proposed class action filed Wednesday in the Southern District of New York federal court, investors claim UnitedHealth defrauded them after Thompson’s murder by pivoting away from profit-boosting strategies that led to higher-than-average claims denials, without disclosing the impact on profitability to shareholders.

“Specifically, defendants made false and/or misleading statements and/or failed to disclose that: UnitedHealth had, for years, engaged in a corporate strategy of denying health coverage in order to boost its profits, and ultimately, its share price; this anti-consumer (and at times unlawful) strategy resulted in regulatory scrutiny (as well as public angst) against UnitedHealth, which ultimately resulted in the murder of Brian Thompson,” the shareholders write in the complaint.

The language used is highly critical. Phrasing like "anti-consumer (and at times unlawful)" and explicitly saying that the company's strategy of denying coverage led to the murder really only makes sense if the shareholders involved in the lawsuit want convey that they did not approve of those tactics.

But the actual legal complaint in the lawsuit isn't over the fact that UHC did those things, its over the fact that UHC decided to stop doing those things (or at least cut back on them) without adequately warning shareholders that profits would go down because of it. It's really mixed messaging that makes the shareholders look even worse because they're basically suing the company for not being evil enough.