U.S. Border Enforcement - ICE will get you

[Veritable Quandry]

Just looking at all the concert tickets I have for the next few months, I am concerned that a lot of British acts with strong politics might have trouble with entry. Especially since most of the shows I see are in small to midsize venues where they don't have name recognition or legal staff to handle tour arrangements.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

Just looking at all the concert tickets I have for the next few months, I am concerned that a lot of British acts with strong politics might have trouble with entry. Especially since most of the shows I see are in small to midsize venues where they don't have name recognition or legal staff to handle tour arrangements.

Agreed. I bet a lot of the BIG acts will still tour here, but it's absolutely not worth it for many of the smaller bands. We'll see a lot less independent music coming here.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Pussy Riot just played my town!

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Link to Guardian article

To get those numbers lower Americans will need to ship a few more Brits to El Salvador. Be sure to send the Brexiters.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Just looking at all the concert tickets I have for the next few months, I am concerned that a lot of British acts with strong politics might have trouble with entry. Especially since most of the shows I see are in small to midsize venues where they don't have name recognition or legal staff to handle tour arrangements.

I would imagine that a lot of them must be wondering if it's worth all that expense and hassle if they arrive in the US only to find they're denied admission and, if they're lucky, put on the next flight home.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

if they're lucky, put on the next flight home.

Not sure if the private prisons in use have been mentioned. They have no incentive to let anyone go without their fat payout for ‘storage’ first.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Not sure if the private prisons in use have been mentioned. They have no incentive to let anyone go without their fat payout for ‘storage’ first.

From what I've read, it's not up to the private prisons. Once you're in custody, it's up to the INS to ask an immigration judge to deport you, even if you agree to being deported home, so you're stuck until the INS get round to dealing with your case and an immigration judge is available to deal with it.

In the case of Rebecca Burke, the British graphic artist who found herself in ICE custody, it was apparently only the fact of her father going to the press with her story that got her sent home:

Becky had arrived in the detention centre on a Thursday. She soon realised she would not be out of it before the end of the weekend. No one ever replied to the message she sent to Ice on the iPad; she found out the Ice officer assigned to her case had gone on annual leave. The following Monday, Paul contacted the Foreign Office in London, and the British consulate in San Francisco. “They were doing the diplomatic bit,” he tells me. “But, after seven days, I could see it wasn’t really working. My perception is the British consulate couldn’t get Ice people to respond to them. There was no end in sight.”

After Becky had been incarcerated for more than 10 days, Paul decided to go to the media. A quiet, unassuming man, he found himself live on Newsnight, Sky News and Good Morning Britain. Becky made it to every national newspaper in the UK, and had coverage in US press, too. Hours after her story broke, she was visited by an Ice officer who told her she was now “at the top of the pile” to be processed. Four days later, on a Thursday, another Ice officer came to the facility to tell Becky her flight had been booked for the following Monday.

 

[Grey Mars]

From what I've read, it's not up to the private prisons. Once you're in custody, it's up to the INS to ask an immigration judge to deport you, even if you agree to being deported home, so you're stuck until the INS get round to dealing with your case and an immigration judge is available to deal with it.

In the case of Rebecca Burke, the British graphic artist who found herself in ICE custody, it was apparently only the fact her father going to the press with her story that got her sent home:

Technically not up to the for-profit prisons how long they keep someone. However the owners of the prisons are generally the same people in charge of sending people there, through bribes, law rewrites, favor trading, etc. Between squeezing every last cent out of the human meat they can, and the prison slave labor, incarceration has been big business here for a long time.

 

[Soen Eber]

I was watching a "Feli from Germany" vid and I got this advice from the comment section:

If you're going from Germany to the US - you might consider flying via Dublin. Dublin and Shannon are the only two airports in Europe where US passport and customs control are before boarding the flight - these flights then land at the domestic terminal in the US, so the worst that can happen to you in Dublin is that you're denied boarding and that you then spend your vacation in Ireland instead of the US.

When you fly from Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal to any destination in the States, the U.S. immigration inspection takes place at the Canadian airport. There is no further inspection when you arrive. If you are concerned about the possibility of being detained, you should fly to the U.S via a Canadian airport. U.S. immigration can refuse entry, but they have no power to detain you on Canadian soil.

Travelers are also advised to use burner phones, not their personal phones, and rig security on it so you need to manually enter a passcode or pattern. U.S. case law allows police to use a person's thumbprint or retinal scan to access a phone without permission. [this is dumb]

Another bit of insanity:

A colleague of mine travelled from Germany to the US in order to appear in court as part of a patent dispute. He was asked at the border what is the purpose of the travel, and he correctly mentioned his appointment with a patent court. He was detained for a week, no phonecalls or other contacts allowed, and when he was released, the court appointment was over and he travelled home. The company lost the case due to his unexcused no-show.

Needless to say, I am very angry.

 

[Veritable Quandry]

Case law does allow requiring supplying a passcode before entry at a port. Not during a search inside the US.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Canadian lolyer talking about all that

Navigating Problems at the Canada-USA Border

Canadians who face issues at the USA border, such as inadmissibility, may suffer serious consequences like denied admission into America.

www.rolandlaw.ca

 

[Beebo Brink]

Denied entry as in being turned back is certainly annoying, inconvenient and possibly expensive, but being DETAINED, in custody, shackled, thrown into a substandard prison with limited contact to anyone outside? That's an entirely different level of risk to run.

Business trips -- such as that man trying to get to a court case -- that go awry are also another level of expense since thousand or even millions of dollars can be lost when the necessary people don't show up.

How many times can that happen before you see massive shifts in travel?

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Snowbird selloff: Canadians are parting ways with U.S. properties | Globalnews.ca

Ireland Issues Travel Warning For US - Newsweek

Finland, Denmark Issue Travel Warnings For US - Newsweek

Germany tightens travel advice to US after three citizens detained | Euronews

France Updates Travel Advice for US - Newsweek

France has updated its travel guidance for French citizens heading to the United States, warning travelers are now required to declare their gender assigned at birth when completing visa or ESTA applications.

Netherlands tightens U.S. travel warning, especially for LGBTQ visitors | NL Times

These Europeans are skipping US travel as tensions rise | CNN

Many of these articles are a month old.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Next year's World Cup, played as it will be in the US, Canada and Mexico and thus potentially involving several border crossings by fans (many of them tattooed, and many of them from either South or Central America or Muslim majority countries) following their teams, will be interesting.

Link to Guardian article

Link to Guardian article

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Britain’s exporters at a loss over US tariff turmoil

Donald Trump has hit pause and the UK may have got off lightly, but many products rely on multinational supply chains. Now their pricing is up in the air

www.thetimes.com

Evernote Link

This presumably affects everyone exporting to the US, not just Brits.

ETA: Just realised I posted this in the wrong thread. Sorry!

 

[Veritable Quandry]

Britain’s exporters at a loss over US tariff turmoil

Donald Trump has hit pause and the UK may have got off lightly, but many products rely on multinational supply chains. Now their pricing is up in the air

www.thetimes.com

Evernote Link

This presumably affects everyone exporting to the US, not just Brits.

I own a 1977 MG B convertible. I just got a new parts catalog which for the first time does not include prices, but instead says to check the web page. Many parts come from the UK where the original tools are still making parts. But Mexico, China, and Canada produce parts as well.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

I own a 1977 MG B convertible...

I know shit about cars, but that sounds fancy. ...I had to look up the price and apparently they aren't THAT expensive, but still sounds nice. I own a junker civic, haha.

 

[Veritable Quandry]

I know shit about cars, but that sounds fancy. ...I had to look up the price and apparently they aren't THAT expensive, but still sounds nice. I own a junker civic, haha.

It's a Miata, basically. But without all the fancy tech.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Totally attainable for someone who works for a living but paid better than chickenscratch.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

People on the internet saying with whatever reliability:

This is a cautionary tale. : r/BoycottUnitedStates

Neat how that's even a subreddit.

Add:

European tourism to the United States is freefalling : r/europe