Trump Plans to attempt to "Regulate" Social Media

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It is very long, partly because she's concerned to establish that it's both ethically and medically justified to diagnose Trump without interviewing him, then to explain psychopathy, what it is and how it's diagnosed, and to explain the similarities and differences between psychopathy, antisocial personality disorder and narcissism.

People can probably skim it to section 5 (thus skipping the history of the Goldwater rule and so on), but even then it is long, but very interesting indeed.

ETA: I can diagnose Trump -- as my grandmother would have put it (think Old Nan, Bran's nurse and Hodor's mum in GoT, here), "He's a bad un." That sums him up pretty well, I think.
Sorry, I still say it's invalid. So does the APA. You can't tap dance around the Goldwater Rule by saying you believe that somebody's public persona is dangerous.

The Goldwater Rule is not just there to be fair to the persona in question, it's there to prevent psychiatrists from humiliating themselves. Hypothetically, lets assume the Trump you and I see on TV is a real person and not a character he plays for political gain. That's a stretch, but lets see where that goes...

It is unsound to diagnose somebody at a distance like that, from media reports, and not from the processes that doctors use every day in their offices. If you have never even met somebody, you can't credibly diagnose their issues. If we could diagnose people from the media they generate, then why even have doctors appointments? Why not just let the doctor read my facebook or twitter feed, or even my SLU posts, to see if I have a gunshot wound, or depression, or whatever else I might have? It's absurd.

You and me can call Trump a psychopath. I think he probably does have mental health issues. He certainly seems to act like he has compulsions of some kind. When a doctor does it, that's a different story. If a doctor calls him a psychopath, and isn't just speaking figuratively, then unless they actually had Trump as a patient, and got Trump's approval to make that diagnosis public, then that doctor's expertise needs to be called into question. No competent doctor would even attempt to violate the Goldwater rule like this.

All educated people will rightly laugh at Dr Greenwood for posting this absurd 'diagnosis.'
 
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You and I find him repulsive, but we don't have anything he wants right now.
I don't know you well enough to include you in this but he is gunning for folks like Beebo and myself for being LGBT, He wants to make points with his bible thumping friends. I feel in my bones if he could get away with it, he would start rounding us up for the camps. He has learned well from his buddy Putin.
 

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The Vincent Greenwood essay is a good faith effort at diagnosing Trump, and it convinces me that psychopathy is a more satisfying diagnosis than NPD.

Just some nit picks:
  • He could have produced a better essay by getting some feedback from other experts and a good editor. For the sake of example, their are a few obvious typo-level errors other people would most likely have pointed out (e.g., referring to Phineas Gage and "Phineas George"). I conclude he did not get the feedback he needed. I presume there are other more substantial issues with the essay (e.g., DSM-III was not as wonderful as he makes it out to be).
  • I think Trump actually does have a morality of sorts (a more substantial issue). I would not say he is strictly amoral. He has a racist morality, for instance. Yes, that is immoral, but as the essay points out, that is not the same as being amoral. (In case you didn't know, racism is often posed as a better moral choice.)
  • How does this help people deal with Trump? He wasn't impeached and there is no outrage among Republicans even now to support removing him from office for mental incompetency.
  • The Republican party is as much a problem for the country as Trump is. Trump could not have gotten to where he is with them aiding and abetting in his crimes.
  • People are still in the position of having to vote him out of office in November and deprive Republicans of all Congressional control.
But ... those are all nit picks since I still find the article interesting.
 

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Whatever he is clinically... After this morning's barrage of "neener neener nyah nyah!" "presidential" tweets, I can say with absolute certainty that he's 100% troll, through and through.

Totally disingenuous. Deliberately provokes, then feigns ignorance or being misunderstood. Chums the waters and giggles when he gets people to turn on each other with actual violence. Preemptively projects all his flagrant faults and malignant intentions onto those most likely to call him out on them...

And his cult followers eat it up because they want to validate their delusion of exceptionalism by smugly lashing out too. They worship and envy his ability to get away with it and, wrongly, feel like he's doing it for them.
I am torn who is the bigger troll. It or its spouse.
 

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Innula, one aspect of psychopaths that the author addressed was their charm. I personally find Trump repulsive, but to a certain strata of American White Christian people, he apparently has a strong appeal. Go figure.
Which makes no sense. Does anyone think it thinks there is a more powerful entity?
 

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Melania?? What did she do?
Oh, take that her thing is fighting cyberbullying. Or her wearing a coat that said she did not care while visiting a detention center.
 

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Saw somewhere "The only way Trump could shut down twitter... is if they hired him to run it."

6 casino resorts
an airline
a travel agency
a magazine
a boardgame
steaks
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a university
the united states

The only thing he succeeds at is failure.
 

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Saw somewhere "The only way Trump could shut down twitter... is if they hired him to run it."

6 casino resorts
an airline
a travel agency
a magazine
a boardgame
steaks
vodka
a mortgage company
a university
the united states

The only thing he succeeds at is failure.
Considering now, I think its more he excels at destruction.
 

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Uplifting propaganda, lol. Taking the opportunity to blame "left-wing terrorists" for the looting. I hope some Proud Boy or other cult member is caught out for all to see.
And somehow I doubtb if Georgr Floyd's family would feel uplifted by it.
 

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The people aren't going to put up with these giant companies having so much control over information.
If "the people" aren't happy with Twitter, they can always use another social media platform -- there's nothing to stop Trump from switching to an alternative platform like Gab if he's not content with Twitter.

Isn't that the way the free market is supposed to operate?
 

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The people aren't going to put up with these giant companies having so much control over information.
Please quote what law they are breaking. To give you a hint, your dear leader was wrong saying they violated the 1st ammendment.
 
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