WTF This is What I Was Concerned About

Madi Perth

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First, I understand the new TOS and the reasons it have been put out. Today's Community Round table pretty much laid it all out. Since it came out I was worried that the new rules would be weaponized against the child avatar community, my community. Today this was sent to a friend of mine. This is the crap we have to put up with.

 

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Did your friend report this abusive hate language to LL?
 

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No, but I just advised her too. To me that counts as threat as well as harassment.
It's not surprising at all that some assholes would feel like this is a new weapon to use, but hopefully the actual SL staff sees through it. That comment is definitely harassment.
 

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It's not surprising at all that some assholes would feel like this is a new weapon to use, but hopefully the actual SL staff sees through it. That comment is definitely harassment.
Assholes will take any excuse for saying hateful things. Just the other day someone on the SL Reddit was frothing at the mouth at all the pervs who engage in sex on the grid. According to them, mobile will allow millions of children to flood SL and LL will switch allegiance to their new audience. The pervs will be swept away. Okay, I guess we'll see.
 

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It only counts as a weapon if LL enforces it like one. Until then, it's just an asshole being an asshole.
I'm going to have to disagree with you if they are using messages like this to terrorize people in my community, then it counts as a weaponizing the new tos against people. I've been to the governance meeting and community one, so LL is aware of messages and people like this. That doesn't help the people that are being terrorized with the new tos rules.
 
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I'm going to have to disagree with you if they are using messages like this to terrorize people in my community, then it counts as a weaponizing the new tos against people. I've been to the governance meeting and community one, so LL is aware of messages and people like this. That doesn't help the people that are being terrorized with the new tos rules.
So if LL had done nothing at all, do you really think this abuse wouldn't have been just as bad? Possibly worse, since people would be angry that nothing was being done about rampaging pedos and would go vigilante mode.

What kind of policy could LL have written that would NOT be used to harass your community? Is there any wording at all that couldn't be twisted or ignored?

From what I've seen over the years, child avatars have been a target of abuse no matter what LL does or does not do. And no matter how reasonable their policies (and the current polices strike me as pretty damn reasonable), haters will still hate and some members of the child avatar community will still complain that it's LL fault that the haters are hating.

Short of banning child avatars entirely -- which LL could do, but have chosen NOT to do -- I don't see any path that is less fraught than what we've got right now.
 

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What am I missing? I don't see anything on the original post.
 
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What am I missing? I don't see anything on the original post.
It’s grey on black.

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[2024/05/19 16:07] Eylau: Residents presenting as Child Avatars shall be prohibited from the
following: *Engaging or participating in any event or location where nudity and/or sexual activity is
present, encouraged and/or expected. Ever sense I found out about your little pedophile ring a few months ago l've been lobbying SL heavily to take you down. Rest assured, come june 30th on the enforcement date, you are going
to really learn what it means to comply with guidelines. We are going to make sure you comply. The fact that you have been whining and fighting to prevent it for this long really shows everyone who you really are. I would encourage you to take a step back, take a good look at yourself, and get help. »
 

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I'm going to have to disagree with you if they are using messages like this to terrorize people in my community, then it counts as a weaponizing the new tos against people. I've been to the governance meeting and community one, so LL is aware of messages and people like this. That doesn't help the people that are being terrorized with the new tos rules.
It's only terror if you let an edgelords words scare you. The things that person said are nothing more than the SL equivalent of the classic "I'm an ex navy seal" copypasta. Navy Seal Copypasta

That person has no real power, the real power is in LL's hands. They can say anything they want, doesn't mean anything will actually happen. In fact, they will probably lie and exaggerate their influence just to scare you.

The child community should try not to overreact to these kinds of things. The vast masses of SL have no axe to grind against child avatars. Yes, there are people who don't, but they're mostly the sort of edgelord griefer types who would have been griefing Luskwood or You Know Who. And there really aren't very many of them to worry about.
 

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I know what you are saying, just ignore it and don't give them power. I understand that an if it had been me i would have responded with something along the lines of "kiss my ass." The person that received this message also isn't concerned. The message itself isn't that alarming, it's what it implies. She is being stalked by someone that just hates her because of the avatar she is choosing to play. A few weeks ago, a friend of mine was stalked across 2 estates just because of the avatar he played. Sometimes its just easy to say ignore them, but its hard to do when they are intent on chasing you down, stalking you, and using the very rules against you.

Another thing, it's just fucking stupid that there are people like this in the game I love so much.

From what I've seen over the years, child avatars have been a target of abuse no matter what LL does or does not do. And no matter how reasonable their policies (and the current polices strike me as pretty damn reasonable), haters will still hate and some members of the child avatar community will still complain that it's LL fault that the haters are hating.
I can agree the policies are reasonable and this has always been a problem. But from my point of view, they only seem to be lip service. For once I wish the Lab would just step up and make a statement that this behavior will not be tolerated against my community. Maybe enforce the harassment of child avatars by people like this with the same zeal they go after the ageplayers.
 
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I can agree the policies are reasonable and this has always been a problem. But from my point of view, they only seem to be lip service. For once I wish the Lab would just step up and make a statement that this behavior will not be tolerated against my community. Maybe enforce the harassment of child avatars by people like this with the same zeal they go after the ageplayers.
I don't think anyone should be subject to harassment, but you have totally lost the plot if you think this in any way compares to ageplay in seriousness.
 

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I don't think anyone should be subject to harassment, but you have totally lost the plot if you think this in any way compares to ageplay in seriousness.
I'm going to have to disagree and ask you what your logic is behind this is? Ageplay is a serious issue but what makes someone being stalked, harassed, and even threatened any less of a issue? I also don't see them as mutually exclusive. Just because you are enforcing one with vigor, doesn't mean you can't enforce the other with the same.
 
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what makes someone being stalked, harassed, and even threatened any less of a issue?
The law doesn't require LL to protect you from virtual or simulated "stalking, harassment and/or intimidation." If they can clearly determine that it's more than 'just a player dispute' then they might intervene, but they're not obligated to.

Unlike the matter of 'illegal content' which can have dire consequences to their ability to do business if they fail to intervene as necessary.

They won't enforce them the same way, and likely don't have the funding for abuse report handlers to even attempt it.
 

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I'm going to have to disagree and ask you what your logic is behind this is? Ageplay is a serious issue but what makes someone being stalked, harassed, and even threatened any less of a issue? I also don't see them as mutually exclusive. Just because you are enforcing one with vigor, doesn't mean you can't enforce the other with the same.
I'd be all for LL deepening anti stalker and harassment policies! I don't think it's necessary or a good look to make the policies call out people with child avatars specifically. Anti harassment is important and anti age play is important and they shouldn't be directly related. Lots of communities in SL are subject to extra harassment including LGBT, furries, etc.
 

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Reply back with "That's rich coming from someone whose profile pic is of an underage girl. Perhaps -you're- the one that needs to take a step back from that edge."
 
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Stalking and harassment are common issues for SL residents of ALL kinds, and always have been. And LL has always done only the most minimal amount to deal with this. The child avatar community is not unique in this regard. I know of some individuals who were even driven out of SL by their stalker and there wasn't any LL response.

Your concerns are valid, but in a much more general way. Stalking and harassment are easy in SL -- using tracking built right into the system -- and LL isn't going to come to our rescue. I wish they would do more, but it's obvious they're not going to, and taking it personally is futile.