The Trump Presidency, Season 2

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I had another thought on this whole, "Add territory" nonsense.

Maybe Trump is trying really hard to ensure his name in future text books does not only show up next to "Most corrupt President Ever."

Like he wants it to be "Aquired Greenland."
I think I can elucidate. Veritable Quandry can check me on this, but I believe the technical term historians use for this sort of thing is "dick waggling."
 

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Oh like that movie, Wag the Dick.

No wait, dog, not dick.
No, I'm thinking Anshe Chung (spelling?) and dick bombing. Some won't get the reference but most of the regulars will.

EDITED: Thanks, Wolfeyes, for the spelling correction on Anshe's name :)
 
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Where is Free’s Most Insulted award? We demand that it be brought forth immediately! Somebody order champagne for the presentation ceremony please.
 
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The comments (which I can't get to copy to Evernote, unfortunately) uniformly agree Thiel is bonkers.

One paragraph in particular interested me:

Can we believe that a Brazilian judge banned X without American backing, in a tragicomic perversion of the Monroe Doctrine? Were we complicit in Australia’s recent legislation requiring age verification for social media users, the beginning of the end of internet anonymity? Did we muster up even two minutes’ criticism of the UK, which has arrested hundreds of people a year for online speech triggering, among other things, “annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety”? We may expect no better from Orwellian dictatorships in east Asia and Eurasia, but we must support a free internet in Oceania.
First, I don't know about Brazil but certainly in the UK (and also, I thought, possibly mistakenly, the US) the separation of powers is very real and if, when the new Online Safety Act comes into force, an English judge upholds a decision by OFCOM, the communications regulator, to order UK ISPs to block Twitter X or Meta because they refuse to comply with orders to remove illegal content, then that decision will be enforced no matter what the government of the day thinks about it.

Second, the idea that the US government should complain about Australia (or anyone else) imposing age verification requirements on its own residents who wish to access adult content online, in the same way some US states do, seems bizarre.

Third, the offence involving "online speech triggering, among other things, 'annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety''" is that of
Persistently using a public communications network for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience, or needless anxiety to another (s.127(2)(c) CA 2003). That is, as the judgment quoted at the link says, the offence is intended to catch persistent harassment, not prohibit the expression of potentially offensive views:
the mischief at which the offence now contained in s.127(2)(c) was aimed is not the communication of information or ideas that offend the recipient, or even the communication of messages that have offence as a purpose. Its object was to prohibit the abuse of the facilities afforded by a publicly funded network by repeatedly exploiting those facilities to communicate with another for no other purpose than to annoy them, or cause them inconvenience, or needless anxiety. The focus is not on the content of any communication, but rather its purpose and the way in which that purpose is put into effect. I have no doubt that repeated instances of prank calls, silent calls, heavy breathing, and other common forms of nuisance phone call, containing no meaningful content, would fall within the scope of s. 127(2)(c). I do not mean to suggest these examples are exhaustive, but they do indicate the kinds of behaviour that I consider the legislature intended to prohibit by enacting this offence. I am not persuaded that content will always be irrelevant... what Parliament intended was to proscribe a course of persistent conduct the sole purpose of which is to cause annoyance, anxiety or inconvenience by virtue of its persistence, rather than its informational content.
In point of fact, the Court of Appeal found in favour of the defendant since it found her tweets, offensive to the complainant though they doubtless were, didn't amount to the type of persistent harassment caught by the act.

The idea of the US government meddling in the administration of justice in the UK, Brazil or Australia seems outrageous. Theil's thesis seems to be "something I have read online upset me. Regardless of what or where it was, it upset me and the fact the US government of the day didn't do anything about it is a scandal."
 

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Evernote Link

The comments (which I can't get to copy to Evernote, unfortunately) uniformly agree Thiel is bonkers.

One paragraph in particular interested me:


First, I don't know about Brazil but certainly in the UK (and also, I thought, possibly mistakenly, the US) the separation of powers is very real and if, when the new Online Safety Act comes into force, an English judge upholds a decision by OFCOM, the communications regulator, to order UK ISPs to block Twitter X or Meta because they refuse to comply with orders to remove illegal content, then that decision will be enforced no matter what the government of the day thinks about it.

Second, the idea that the US government should complain about Australia (or anyone else) imposing age verification requirements on its own residents who wish to access adult content online, in the same way some US states do, seems bizarre.

Third, the offence involving "online speech triggering, among other things, 'annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety''" is that of
Persistently using a public communications network for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience, or needless anxiety to another (s.127(2)(c) CA 2003). That is, as the judgment quoted at the link says, the offence is intended to catch persistent harassment, not prohibit the expression of potentially offensive views:

In point of fact, the Court of Appeal found in favour of the defendant since it found her tweets, offensive to the complainant though they doubtless were, didn't amount to the type of persistent harassment caught by the act.

The idea of the US government meddling in the administration of justice in the UK, Brazil or Australia seems outrageous. Theil's thesis seems to be "something I have read online upset me. Regardless of what or where it was, it upset me and the fact the US government of the day didn't do anything about it is a scandal."

It's an interesting article (or rant). I do need to comment on one piece in particular:

the causes of the 50-year slowdown in scientific and technological progress in the US
I am always very suspicious when political or business experts try to talk about technological progress like it's an easily quantifiable, 2-dimentional graph that we just expect to go up. Or that the rate this goes up should have a "trend" of any sort. The far more complex reality is that every innovation has a story behind it and sometimes there are trade offs instead of just getting "better" in a clearly quantifiable way. It's also very naïve to think a particular technology should have infinite potential.

I think Moore's law was falsely understood to be a new norm or a meaningful trend when really it was a bit of an aberration. We maybe squeezed most/all of the potential out of making transistors in that way etc. Building a MUCH better CPU might require a very fundamentally different approach that could be many years off or just never happen.

I had a lot of trouble understanding a lot of what Thiel ranted about, but had to pick on this piece in particular.
 
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Where is Free’s Most Insulted award? We demand that it be brought forth immediately! Somebody order champagne for the presentation ceremony please.
My newest avatar should do. (I'm not a fan of champagne. Gives me a headache.)
 

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I think Moore's law was falsely understood to be a new norm or a meaningful trend when really it was a bit of an aberration. We maybe squeezed most/all of the potential out of making transistors in that way etc. Building a MUCH better CPU might require a very fundamentally different approach that could be many years off or just never happen.
Yeah, these guys don't seem to understand anything "the line goes up!", and not just for money. Also, they seem to not get that at some point, Science Fiction is just that. Fiction.

Yes, we end up with many things clearly inspired by Sci-Fi, but we also end up with many Sci-Fi concepts that go nowhere. It also may look cool in some movie, but it would actually be incredibly impractical IRL.
 

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Yeah, these guys don't seem to understand anything "the line goes up!", and not just for money. Also, they seem to not get that at some point, Science Fiction is just that. Fiction.

Yes, we end up with many things clearly inspired by Sci-Fi, but we also end up with many Sci-Fi concepts that go nowhere. It also may look cool in some movie, but it would actually be incredibly impractical IRL.
Yes. This also is why it bugs me when well meaning people on the left say they want a "Star Trek" future. There is no guarantee any of that wonderful technology will ever arrive...
 
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Yes. This also is why it bugs me when well meaning people on the left say they want a "Star Trek" future. There is no guarantee any of that wonderful technology will ever arrive...
Well, get bugged, nerd, I want that.

And understand it’s very unlikely.

Robots doing all the labour? Nah, we’re getting gun mounted robots to mow down food rioters.