The Trial

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I didn’t expect this first phase of the trial to be as powerful as it was. I am still weeping over Jamie Raskin.

Evidently a lot of Republicans refused to watch the video.
 

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I didn’t expect this first phase of the trial to be as powerful as it was. I am still weeping over Jamie Raskin.

Evidently a lot of Republicans refused to watch the video.
Well, sure - they know they are complicit.

The 'defense' lawyer is spewing high grade fertilizer... I broke down and made popcorn
 

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So.... I thought Castor was bad.... his collegue is....

Why do they think they can LIE to the senate?
 

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I hope they are under oath and lying, I do....

While the ex president deserves a defense team, these guys are lying, in the Senate.... and that should cost them their license to practice law. You could defend without -that-.
 

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I talked to my aunt who was watching it and she had to turn it off as it was getting to her. Fork-tongued liars was how she presented it to me. I, of course, didn't watch it as it may have made me want to toss things at the tv.

She doesn't understand how it is that their very lives were in danger, yet they behave in this manner; that it wasn't just democrats that they wished to kill, but any republican who did not do their bidding, as well. Yeah, you got me. Power and money are a powerful aphrodisiac I guess, or even just the possibility of it. He is so mercurial that their power isn't guaranteed. He will turn on them. It will be just like the "They came for the socialists...." poem written by Niemoller. They already want to murder dems. They won't be spared. Those who so much as looked at him wrong will be on his hitlist and he will energize his army of zombies against them, too.

That is what he represents to me. A vulgar, childish, villainous, unlawful and petty tyrant that they wish to keep inflicting upon us for their own reasons.

We already know the end result of the trial. The question remains as to how much more damage will be done to this democracy, rule of law, truth and justice.
 
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I talked to my aunt who was watching it and she had to turn it off as it was getting to her. Fork-tongued liars was how she presented it to me. I, of course, didn't watch it as it may have made me want to toss things at the tv.

She doesn't understand how it is that their very lives were in danger, yet they behave in this manner; that it wasn't just democrats that they wished to kill, but any republican who did not do their bidding, as well. Yeah, you got me. Power and money are a powerful aphrodisiac I guess, or even just the possibility of it. He is so mercurial that their power isn't guaranteed. He will turn on them. It will be just like the "They came for the socialists...." poem written by Niemoller. They already want to murder dems. They won't be spared. Those who so much as looked at him wrong will be on his hitlist and he will energize his army of zombies against them, too.

That is what he represents to me. A vulgar, childish, villainous, unlawful and petty tyrant that they wish to keep inflicting upon us for their own reasons.

We already know the end result of the trial. The question remains as to how much more damage will be done to this democracy, rule of law, truth and justice.
If republicans want to run in 24, they have to convict.
 

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They won't. All I can think of is that he still has and is threatening to use the blackmail material.
Probably.... but it still doesn't change the fact that if they want to run, he has to go away.

Of course, I think they are the only ones who doesn't realize their political futures are pretty much dead.

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Also, the whole 'partisan' BS? I see one hyperpartisan group in these votes....

Grouped By Vote Position
YEAs ---56
Baldwin (D-WI)
Bennet (D-CO)
Blumenthal (D-CT)
Booker (D-NJ)
Brown (D-OH)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Cassidy (R-LA)
Collins (R-ME)
Coons (D-DE)
Cortez Masto (D-NV)
Duckworth (D-IL)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Hassan (D-NH)
Heinrich (D-NM)
Hickenlooper (D-CO)
Hirono (D-HI)
Kaine (D-VA)
Kelly (D-AZ)
King (I-ME)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lujan (D-NM)
Manchin (D-WV)
Markey (D-MA)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murphy (D-CT)
Murray (D-WA)
Ossoff (D-GA)
Padilla (D-CA)
Peters (D-MI)
Reed (D-RI)
Romney (R-UT)
Rosen (D-NV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Sasse (R-NE)
Schatz (D-HI)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Sinema (D-AZ)
Smith (D-MN)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Toomey (R-PA)
Van Hollen (D-MD)
Warner (D-VA)
Warnock (D-GA)
Warren (D-MA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)
NAYs ---44
Barrasso (R-WY)
Blackburn (R-TN)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Braun (R-IN)
Burr (R-NC)
Capito (R-WV)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Cotton (R-AR)
Cramer (R-ND)
Crapo (R-ID)
Cruz (R-TX)
Daines (R-MT)
Ernst (R-IA)
Fischer (R-NE)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hagerty (R-TN)
Hawley (R-MO)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Hyde-Smith (R-MS)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnson (R-WI)
Kennedy (R-LA)
Lankford (R-OK)
Lee (R-UT)
Lummis (R-WY)
Marshall (R-KS)
McConnell (R-KY)
Moran (R-KS)
Paul (R-KY)
Portman (R-OH)
Risch (R-ID)
Rounds (R-SD)
Rubio (R-FL)
Scott (R-FL)
Scott (R-SC)
Shelby (R-AL)
Sullivan (R-AK)
Thune (R-SD)
Tillis (R-NC)
Tuberville (R-AL)
Wicker (R-MS)
Young (R-IN)
 

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None of the Democrats focused on questioning the Republican Senators in a rhetorical fashion. Why would you want to let this ex-president get away with this now when it's likely he'd do it again? Why not use the Constitutional safeguards against demagogues when the GOP seems incapable of stopping a demagogue taking over their party? How will the GOP prevent this from happening again if they don't stop it now, while they have the clear power so to do?

Oddly to me, one of Trump's attorneys came closest to these questions by asserting that the Democrats in Congress were the ones with the open motivation to stop Trump ever running again.
 
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Oddly to me, one of Trump's attorneys came closest to these questions by asserting that the Democrats in Congress were the ones with the open motivation to stop Trump ever running again.
The cowardice is amazing. The thing is that those Republicans have no future career unless they turn Q-crazy and start going down that track. Most of them are destined to be primaried no matter how much they bow and scrape.