The Russia-Ukraine War has begun

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Do the Germans have a word to say in that matter? If so there's an election coming up...
Yes, there are several levers.

First there is the diagram of countries committing help to Ukraine:



In the EU Germany also has the biggest part of Ukrainian refugees with around 1.2 millions, while Poland has around 957K. Czech Republic has around 370K, so probably is the country with most Ukrainians in relation to the domestic population.

So through direct stuff and EU Germany is the 2nd biggest supporter of Ukraine after the USA.

The next government will be lost likely lead by the conservative party, CDU. This party is for on-going support just like it is. So if the CDU gets to rule with the right partner not much will change for Ukraine itself. But it is possible that the CDU will try to push Ukrainians harder to work in Germany.

In Poland, which has an almost as big share of Ukranian refugees, 65% of them are working. In Germany it is around 25% only.

The CDU mentioned this several times as wrong politics, and that the German state is not pushing the Ukrainians enough into the labour market compared ot other countries. So most expect the next government to build up pressure here to reach level similar to Poland.

There are also two extremist parties right now, one right wing named AfD and one left wing called BSW (Bündnis Sarah Wagenknecht). No other party at the moment wants to work together with AfD, which really tends quite to the extreme right.

Bot these parties though have in common that they demand peace negotiations, de-funding of the Ukraine war and putting pressure on Kyiv to finally get back to the table. Both are also pretty more or less openly pro Russia.

AfD wants, and BSW is more or less the same:
1. instantaneous cease fire with peace negotiations
2. no EU and NATO membership for Ukraine
3. no sanctions against Russia
4. no more weapons and ammunition deliveries to Ukraine
5. turning Nordstream II on again

AfD has in current polls around 20%, CDU 32%. As mentioned it is unlikely that CDU will make a government with the AfD, because they many times refused to do so. All other parties as well.

The other lever, which also some parties have been thinking about is sending the refugees back to Ukraine. Their reason is that supposedly many Ukrainian refugees are regularly traveling back there, visiting their families and then move back. So their reasoning is if they are driving back to visit people war cannot be so bad in these regions. Since the CDU turns more and more right wing right now, who knows if they dare to implement that.

By the way Norway already took some actions in September. Ukrainian refugees seeking shelter coming from Western Ukraine there will not get it granted automatically any longer, but it will be decided instead on an individual base. In other words Norway considers some Western regions of Ukraine as save.


Maybe we should instead hand over the earthly remains of Ukrainian national hero Stepan Bandery to Kyiv, so that he can rest there. Since he was a big Nazi collaborator and he died 1959 in Munich at the hand of KGB killers, his grave is still there. And it gets demolished every view weeks, meaning it gets a new paint job and other stuff. In Ukraine for sure that would stop.
 

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Hmm . . .

I pulled up the whole article.


I don't care much for the way serbia constantly threatens Kosovo's security or for the idea of negotiating anything with russia. I also don't think there's anything that can be negotiated without robust security guarantees for Ukraine, such as immediate accession to NATO and nuclear armorment.
 
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Hmm . . .

I pulled up the whole article.


I don't care much for the way serbia constantly threatens Kosovo's security or for the idea of negotiating anything with russia. I also don't think there's anything that can be negotiated without robust security guarantees for Ukraine, such as immediate accession to NATO and nuclear armorment.
Can we get a bulk deal on nukes if Canada chips in?
 
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Trump unhinged: in a televised interview he claimed that the war in Ukraine was the fault of Zelensky's failure to preempritvely capitulate before Russian troops began their attack.

He also told that Zelensky "has had enough" and "wants to settle" with Vladimir Putin.

Zelensky, he said, is “no angel” and “shouldn’t have allowed this war to happen,” even though it was Russia that invaded Ukraine.

“First of all, he’s fighting a much bigger entity, okay, much bigger. When he was, you know, talking so brave... Zelensky was fighting a much bigger entity, much bigger, much more powerful. He shouldn’t have done that, because we could have made a deal, and it would have been a deal that would have been, it would have been a nothing deal,” Trump claimed.

He added that had he been in Zelensky’s position he could have “made that deal so easily.” He claimed that it was the Ukrainian leader who decided on hostilities even though it was Putin who ordered the invasion of Ukraine that violated a 1994 agreement. Russia and the United States agreed then to guarantee Kyiv’s security in exchange for Ukraine’s government giving up Soviet-era nuclear weapons that had been stored there before the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union.

“I could have made that deal so easily. And Zelensky decided: ‘I want to fight,’” he baselessly claimed.

 

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He's channeling Sethra Lavode where she says that it's always the defender who was responsible for a conflict because they always have the option of allowing the attacker to win. Of course she's a fictional vampire who moonlights as a break-in artist, not an actual person. And she was playing head games with Vlad at the time.
 
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Trump continues: as of Friday the Trump administration put a stop to all foreign aid to Ukraine, Taiwan and Jordan for 90 days and put all under review. The only exceptions are military assistance for Israel, Egypt and some food programs.

In other words: Trump is giving Putin and Xi Jiping a biiiig huuug.

 

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Straight out of the brutal bully dictator's playbook (he's been cuddling up with and admiring Putin and North Korea, learning from their tactics) - indiscriminate threatening of long-term peaceful allies, terrorizing neighbour countries, chaos injections into the already destabilized world order, total corrupt narcissistic abuse of power). Yes, this will all end nice and well.
Did I mention how much I detest this excuse for a grown man? :freakout::shakefist:
 

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Aid is still flowing from America to Ukraine. American aircraft carrying lethal aid just landed in Rzeszów the other day. From there, the aid will move from Poland to Ukraine. Anybody who tells you that Trump is getting in the way of Ukrainian aid is a fucking moron blinded by their own cognitive bias. Don't worry, I brought proof:


Yes, according the fucking Ukrainian new sources, lethal American aid is still be supplied to Ukraine.

Also while the Americans and russians are publicly acting like progress is being made in behind the scenes peace talks, both side are currently gearing up for a larger conflict. For example, American security advisors are suggesting that all NATO countries increase their military spending to 5%. Go look this one up, really. Also, russian ships are being seized in the Baltic and the russian government appears to be ready to attempt to conduct illegal patrols in the Baltic Sea through use of russian naval forces confronting the NATO forces, which are being conducting Operation Baltic Sentry. The russian goal in this is to create an international incident. And it's increasingly looking like it will happen.

Don't worry, I'm not here for long. I just saw the brain dead comment above me and thought I share some factual information related to the conflict while the rest of you bitch and moan about the results of the American elections some more. Slava Ukraini!
 
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oh fuck off
Indeed. Since I'm apparently classed as braindead lol, I placed the blatherer on ignore. No need for more aggravation and nonsense amid the crazy onslaught we are already enduring.

P.S. to be clear, I believe the noted reaction comment was directed at the Ignored individual, not at me:)
Just a mini clarification for those who had previously Ignored, who would not have seen it.
 
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oh fuck off
Indeed. Since I'm apparently classed as braindead lol, I placed the blatherer on ignore. No need for more aggravation and nonsense amid the crazy onslaught we are already enduring.

P.S. to be clear, I believe the noted reaction comment was directed at the Ignored individual, not at me:)
Just a mini clarification for those who had previously Ignored, who would not have seen it.
If it's important someone else can say it.
 
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