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I really, really want to learn Japanese. I was able to learn a few phrases when I was stationed there, but that was over 22 years ago. I don't know what I would ever use it for, but it would be fun to learn. I'd probably be able to speak it better than being able to read it. The Hiragana and Katakana I could handle, but I don't think I'd be alive long enough to learn even half of the Kanji.
Actually there is a hidden short cut to learning the Kanji; many Kanji are using the same building blocks called radicale, which are shared amongst many kanji and always do represent the same concepts. There around ~130 or so. So if you do memorise these, learning Kanjis gets much easier.

 

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Well German has a major advantage compared to other languages: curse words and angry rants really do sound epic in it. Even many normal words sound like evil incantations of some kind of demonic powers.

And we've got the power of DOCH!

It's even better when an Italian rants in German. This rant here is legendary.


Gunnery Sgt. Hartman also sounds epic in German.

 

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How long until they start claiming this was pressure from Biden like with X.

Its like these morons can't accept that countries can do shit, without the US.
 

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Argument: If you are not prepared to argue that somebody who disagrees with you should have just as much of an ability to be heard through any form of media that you can be heard through, then you are not advocating for free speech but are instead following the modus operandi of both former and current fascist regimes. For this reason, I reject regulating speech on the internet by any single country or political faction regardless of where they stand, what they stand for, or who they are. Any one side forcibly trying to suppress the other through whatever smokescreen and/or bullshittery ultimately just leads for more polarization, which countries like russia and china will exploit to further divide democratic nations. Not a fan of Elon, Trump, Biden, Trudeau, Olaf, orban, and a whole slew of other shithead politicians that represent the allied countries of Europe, the west, and their freinds in the Paciffic, but I do support the incoming American government busting Europe's balls over their failure to be able to ward off russian agression or be in any way prepared to fight a war at any level. Diehard supporter of Ukraine over here. I don't give a fuck what the Americans have to do to get Western Europe to get their act together. The Berlin-Paris axis of freindship should have stepped into action during the first Ukrainian counter-offensive and lead a UN/NATO response to purge Ukrainian lands of the russia invaders. Instead, it's been mostly talk and very little bite. The French Foriegen could be securing weapons caches in Transnistria right now and the German war machine should be cranking up for a redemption arc. The people in Poland, the Baltics, and Finland are paranoid, on edge, and probably scared. Not all of them were born free and many of them likely suffered under Stalin's the communist regime post Wolrd War Two.

I am not buying this bullshit about protecting the British people from general internet nonsense. They are engaged in a destructive and fascist attack on free speech for idiotic political reasons. Just my opinion. If you are scared of russia, don't do russian shit. Limiting free speech is one step removed from implementing foriegn agent laws. Not a good look.

On the international stage, Zelenskyy with the help of average people in Ukraine beat the entirety of the russian propoganda machine and showed us exactly what the invaders were doing to their country as soon as it happened. The bot farms and propogandists could not compete with the truth (Propogandolf must have been out sick for a long spell). This is because the truth always prevails in an environment which places a high level of importantance on everybody and anybody being able to say whatever they want about whatever they want. If Ukraine can do this admid a full-blown onslaught of warcrimes being prepetrated against them by the orc-scum of moscow than anybody else ought to be able to make their point without resorting to idiotic one-sided political bullshit of trying to censor their opposition out of exisistence.

Anybody else want to suggest that I don't understand something idiotic or that I can't understand English?
 
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Anybody else want to suggest that I don't understand something idiotic or that I can't understand English?
Where do you stand on allowing child pornographers and pedophiles access to freely express their interests? Even if they don't post controversial/illegal images, should the rest of us stand by and allow them to form communities of interest that help each other get away with their obsession?

What about about a white supremicist social media group populated by judges and law officers? Should society just back off and say "well it's free speech" and allow them to conspire, build alliances and friendships that will solidify their ability to pursue their anti-justice/anti-equality agenda that frequently descends into outright violence? Must the state sit on its hands while they create a support network that helps them escape justice when caught?
 

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Where do you stand on allowing child pornographers and pedophiles access to freely express their interests? Even if they don't post controversial/illegal images, should the rest of us stand by and allow them to form communities of interest that help each other get away with their obsession?

What about about a white supremicist social media group populated by judges and law officers? Should society just back off and say "well it's free speech" and allow them to conspire, build alliances and friendships that will solidify their ability to pursue their anti-justice/anti-equality agenda that frequently descends into outright violence? Must the state sit on its hands while they create a support network that helps them escape justice when caught?
These are great examples of sordid behavior that are both illegal and not tolerated by any society at large. But that's not what the British articles I've seen are talking about or stressing over in regard to this law. They are talking about romance schemes, online gambling, general crypto scams, and a bunch of frivolous stuff that is sort of wishy washington. I believe that is because they are trying to use the frivolous stuff as a smokescreen to cover up the fact they are just mad about a bunch of political bullshit realted to the Americans in the lower 48. Or, I like, it's an example of enacting a law for a stated purpose but with the intention of doing something else with it entirely. The fact that Elon and Twitter appear to be the intended target and not Durov and Telegram says a lot. Keep in mind that the russian propaganda machine is in high-gear right now trying to drive as many wedges between America and Europe as they can before we see what a change in government in America means for Ukraine. The russians are trying are going to try to drive anti-American sentient in Europe the same way they drove anti-French sentient in Africa, and while the russians are complete fucking morons at most things, they are masters of propoganda and manipulating the politics of other nations through fear and division. There is something deeply wrong and suspious and bonkers werid with the politics comming out of Britian right now.
 

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Do you not think it is odd that the Canadians and British and Americans are suddenly having heated disagreements about everything. Yes, Elon and Trump are jackasses. But they are not the enemy. Really, they are just jackasses. russia, china, iran, and north korea are the real enemies. putin and his propaganda apparatus will use the liberal world's hatred of Trump to the fullest extent possible through whatever means necessary. Keep in mind that it was the Americans, British, russians, and Ukrainians who signed the deal that lead to Ukraine's nuclear disarmament. Also, English is the most studied second language in russia and thus it is the language in which they can best conduct their propoganda. If you take a look at TASS, youll notice that it doesn't read like it was fed through a translator. It reads just like it was written by an English speaker in spite of the fact that it is government-owned state-sponsored russian media. So now the question becomes does the English speaking world turn on itself, starting with individual countries and companies attempting to control who can say what on the internet, which is all the russia's benifit, which would also jeopardize the security of Eastern Europe, Japan, Alaska, and a number of ex-soviet states who are currently struggling to oust russian-backed regimes, such as Armena and Georgia? And if this happens how long will Ukraine be able to hold off the russian advancement in the East? Or will the world stand united with Ukraine until russia collapses in on itself, which is honestly the only way I can see Ukraine winning this war and emerging with a just and lasting peace. In-fighting between the alliance over stupid shit jeopardizes everything and the russians are going to make damn sure they scrape ever sore and stroke every fire they can in hopes of breaking through. They're hellbent and they've already canibalized their entire ecomony to fight this war. There's a lot on the line for everybody involved. And everybody is involved, whether they like it or not. All those cables being cut by chinese anchors are not happening by accident. russian airspace incurisions near Alaska, Japan, Lativia, Lithuiana, Estonia, Finland, Poland, and Romania are not happening by accident. Sataboge in Germany is not happening by accident. Both the British and the Americans need to wake up and see what Eastern Europe sees and realize that fighting with each other over this incredibly stupid shit is incredibly stupid.
 

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The problem isn't about if people should or shouldnnot be able to argue or debate.

Its that there are many, very powerful people, with massive outreach on platforms they control, exclusively, who are spreading outright lies.

Not, alternative views, or "true from my point of view" or opinions.

Lies.

Dangerous, harmful, lies.

And they are spreading them, in mass, to lots of peolle at once. They are not debating, or asking to be proven wrong. They are just broadcasting it, with the same level as you might see the truth broadcast.

And if you show how it is a lie, people still don't want to debate or even argue, they just tell you, you are wrong, and then scream lalalala and refuse to even consider that they were lied to.

That information they are pushing, that is a lie, is harming people.

(Sorry Free, Insaw your gif, and I tried...)
 

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The problem isn't about if people should or shouldnnot be able to argue or debate.

Its that there are many, very powerful people, with massive outreach on platforms they control, exclusively, who are spreading outright lies.

Not, alternative views, or "true from my point of view" or opinions.

Lies.

Dangerous, harmful, lies.

And they are spreading them, in mass, to lots of peolle at once. They are not debating, or asking to be proven wrong. They are just broadcasting it, with the same level as you might see the truth broadcast.

And if you show how it is a lie, people still don't want to debate or even argue, they just tell you, you are wrong, and then scream lalalala and refuse to even consider that they were lied to.

That information they are pushing, that is a lie, is harming people.

(Sorry Free, Insaw your gif, and I tried...)
Just to add to that: Speech intended to cause harm is not protected speech in any civilized society.
 
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Just to add to that: Speech intended to cause harm is not protected speech in any civilized society.
It depends on context. When e.g. trying to wipe mosquitoes out of existence in malaria plagued countries and giving a speech about that, this definitely means harm to the animals but most likely not many people will protest.
 

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Everyone? I just wanted to say, even though we're in a crowded theater right now, and I know you're all enjoying what's on the screen and the show seems so wonderful and what have you, but...

FIRE!!!