Jopsy Pendragon
Disappointed, Disgusted and Depressed
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My damned avatar is close to 21 years old, that alone should be 'age verification' enough. 
At least one credit reference agency with which I'm familiar, Experian, offers this service in the USIf that exists for the credit ratings agencies over here, I have never heard of it.
This is the Texas law, which has recently survived legal challenge in the US Fifth Circuit Appeals Court. The challenge appears to have been that it compelled speech (one requirement is that sites carry a sort of health warning -- not, apparently, that "it'll make you blind," though) rather than that it was unduly vague.My understanding, possibly wrong, is these laws are so vaguely written here it is like saying if you are underage you are not allowed to drink without specifying that water and milk are ok.
I am not convinced at all they offer this in the US. Especially, in the link you provided a web page that links to the Experian web page which saysI think you're quoting me, not Mona.
At least one credit reference agency with which I'm familiar, Experian, offers this service in the US
This is the Texas law, which has recently survived legal challenge in the US Fifth Circuit Appeals Court. The challenge appears to have been that it compelled speech (one requirement is that sites carry a sort of health warning -- not, apparently, that "it'll make you blind," though) rather than that it was unduly vague.
The text looks reasonably straightforward to me
Also a search for "experian’s CrossCore Identity Services for Age Verification" only has one link to Experian which is to an experian.co.uk address.Used by: Organisations that need to check customer identity and age in the UK and globally.
Document checking with Document Verification
On the chart at https://avpassociation.com/find-an-av-provider/ it does say they provide online age verification for "Adult Content (viewers)", which I'd have thought would need international coverage, but I need to know whether they provide age verification services worldwide anyway, so I've emailed them to ask. I'll post the information here when they reply.I am not convinced at all they offer this in the US. Especially, in the link you provided a web page that links to the Experian web page which says
Also a search for "experian’s CrossCore Identity Services for Age Verification" only has one link to Experian which is to an experian.co.uk address.
Yes, but the main credit reference agencies have large legal departments who will have made them perfectly well aware of their obligations under the GDPR and other data protection legislation, I don't see the problem. All they're going to need to record is that fact that they've seen a copy of your ID (if they actually need to, and can't verify your identity some other way, by asking you questions and comparing with data they already have on file) so they're satisfied you are who you say you are, and that they can confirm that according to their databases and public records you're over 18.Remember that, under the GDPR, user consent is not a silver bullet that gives a service the right to do whatever it wants with the user's data. For instance, while I may consent to having Experian or what have you look at my national ID card, driver's licence, or - even worse - passport, this gives them access to data they should not access (biometric data etc). The GDPR also introduces the minimisation of data (being processed) principle, which means that the service must use the bare minimum of data that is absolutely necessary for them to provide their services.
Experian phoned me back today. They tell me that they do, indeed, offer worldwide age verification for age-restricted websites. They're going to send me an email about it. I won't be able to go into too much detail, since the inquiry relates to a business I'm advising, but I'll share what I can when I see the details.I am not convinced at all they offer this in the US. Especially, in the link you provided a web page that links to the Experian web page which says
Also a search for "experian’s CrossCore Identity Services for Age Verification" only has one link to Experian which is to an experian.co.uk address.
I still remember when the whole German TV expose popped up and Linden Lab basically threw then VP Robin (Harper) Linden (forever my favorite LindenI dropped in to see if there had been some kind of resolution to the potential drama and I can see that it's still rocking along.
At least this time around LL appear to be taking refreshingly organisationally mature stance, rather than the way they did it the first time around.
It wouldn't surprise me if they move to a kyc approach to accounts and they might actually give us one actual primary account with the avatars being subsidiary (think banking with all the different types of bank accounts you can have under your name). That would make me really happy but I'm not going to hold my breath for that.
but a girl can dream...
Why do you think that there will follow a banned in Brussels?If history is any gauge, SL possibly being "Banned in Brussels" may attract Europeans to find out what the fuss is about, just like the "Banned in Boston" effect on banned book sales in the USA.
They were referencing the post above theirs from Innula talking about the various laws in European countries affecting SL. Hence the banned in Brussels reference in talking about the banned in Boston phenomenon, where banning something makes people want to know about it even more. For the record, those Puritans and witch hunters came from your side of the pond to America.Why do you think that there will follow a banned in Brussels?
Because a person posted a lot of mainly baloney and unproven accusations on a reasonably back alley website?
The puritans and witch hunters are more found on your side of the pond IMO.
I'd like to take this opportunity once again to apologise to the world for my ancestors letting the Puritans get away from England. In.hindsight.this.was.a.huge.mistake.They were referencing the post above theirs from Innula talking about the various laws in European countries affecting SL. Hence the banned in Brussels reference in talking about the banned in Boston phenomenon, where banning something makes people want to know about it even more. For the record, those Puritans and witch hunters came from your side of the pond to America.
I think this time it will be a rational response, as the world has become more adept at managing these things anyway but there's still time for them to fuck it up, so yanno, we'll see.I still remember when the whole German TV expose popped up and Linden Lab basically threw then VP Robin (Harper) Linden (forever my favorite Linden) to the wolves to deal with the fallout. Granted, it was a different situation - it did not involve accusations against the company itself. Their response this time around does seem measured (and legalfied all the high hell), and I hope their ultimate response will be equally so.
It's not just the EU:If history is any gauge, SL possibly being "Banned in Brussels" may attract Europeans to find out what the fuss is about, just like the "Banned in Boston" effect on banned book sales in the USA.
As of March 2024, eight states have followed in Louisiana’s footsteps. Arkansas, Indiana, Mississippi, Montana, North Carolina, Texas, Utah, and Virginia have all passed laws mandating age verification for accessing adult content. Now, Florida, Idaho, and South Dakota are poised to join this list. Their bills have cleared both legislative houses, signaling a near-certain enactment of their own age verification laws.
Part 7 needs an article length explanation. I have not found such an explanation in my searches.It's not just the EU:
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Explainer: Age Verification Laws in the U.S. | ExpressVPN Blog
We list all states with age verification laws and explore the challenge of balancing child protection, digital privacy risks, and internet freedom.www.expressvpn.com
If you mean the "technical and implementation challenges" it mentions, this might be helpfulPart 7 needs an article length explanation. I have not found such an explanation in my searches.
That pdf doesn't mention requirements in the US once. That is what I am interested in. Is verification using a debit card adequate? I think minors can acquire debit cards, not sure. Is that something that would satisfy the legal requirements of the states implementing these minor access laws? Are third parties allowed to look at ages on debit cards? How about a checkbox saying I am over 18? Probably not adequate, but I would like to see a US oriented article addressing these questions. Facial recognition? What if I am an adult who doesn't want to broadcast my picture? Surely there are first amendment problems there. What if someone posts a NSFW message on VVO? Is VVO liable because they haven't gone through minor verification checks? I would like to see an article describing these scenarios in fine detail.If you mean the "technical and implementational challenges" it mentions, this might be helpful
https://risk.lexisnexis.co.uk/-/media/files/business/white-paper/age-verification-feb-17-wp-uk pdf.pdf
The challenge for business, I think, is not to find a foolproof way of verifying customers' ages but to find one that complies with whatever are the legal requirements they must meet (including protecting their customers' privacy and data security) while not making the customer acquisition process so complex or intrusive that it deters people.
Depends on what sort of business you're in, how large it is, where it's located and who your customers are.That pdf doesn't mention requirements in the US once. That is what I am interested in. Is verification using a debit card adequate? I think minors can acquire debit cards, not sure. Is that something that would satisfy the legal requirements of the states implementing these minor access laws? Are third parties allowed to look at ages on debit cards? How about a checkbox saying I am over 18? Probably not adequate, but I would like to see a US oriented article addressing these questions. Facial recognition? What if I am an adult who doesn't want to broadcast my picture? Surely there are first amendment problems there. What if someone posts a NSFW message on VVO? Is VVO liable because they haven't gone through minor verification checks? I would like to see an article describing these scenarios in fine detail.