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Considering the number of adults I know who have trouble with GPS, that alone would be pretty impressive for someone of 5.
Those things are designed to be child's play and idiot proof...
 

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This is interesting -- people will be familiar with the story, at least, of William Golding's 1954 novel, Lord of the Flies, but it seems that, in 1964, six teenage boys found themselves shipwrecked on a small island in the Pacific for over a year, and the outcome was very different

 
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The same seems to be true of the Stanford Prison Experiment and Milgram's electric shock experiment.

Edit: also, I hated Lord of the Flies from the start because I was a geeky kid taking the toughest science classes in senior school and Goldman lied about optics - there is no way you could have lit a fire with Piggy's lenses.
 
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This is interesting -- people will be familiar with the story, at least, of William Golding's 1954 novel, Lord of the Flies, but it seems that, in 1964, six teenage boys found themselves shipwrecked on a small island in the Pacific for over a year, and the outcome was very different

I'm told this is the original Dutch article: Wat er écht gebeurt als kinderen op een onbewoond eiland stranden Posted for the giggles and for Sid
 
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The same seems to be true of the Stanford Prison Experiment and Milgram's electric shock experiment.

Edit: also, I hated Lord of the Flies from the start because I was a geeky kid taking the toughest science classes in senior school and Goldman lied about optics - there is no way you could have lit a fire with Piggy's lenses.
What's the story with the Stanford Prison Experiment and with Milgram?
 

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What's the story with the Stanford Prison Experiment and with Milgram?
Found this: Twilight of the Stanford Prison Experiment

And this: Unpublished data from Stanley Milgram's experiments cast doubt on his claims about obedience

There were also problems with the reporting on the Kitty Genovese muder. The 38 witnesses who did nothing was apparently a fabricated fantasy or miscommunication or something [wikipedia, yeah, well, I got lazy]

Something in the Zietgeist? Psychology researchers having physics envy? Publish or perish?
 
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What's the story with the Stanford Prison Experiment and with Milgram?
Stanford Prison Experiment: the researchers provided cues and even scripts for the "guards".

Milgram: the subjects "controlling" the power knew it was faked.
 

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This is interesting -- people will be familiar with the story, at least, of William Golding's 1954 novel, Lord of the Flies, but it seems that, in 1964, six teenage boys found themselves shipwrecked on a small island in the Pacific for over a year, and the outcome was very different
No matter how much I enjoyed certain aspects of the tv show The Walking Dead, I never bought into the premise of the survivors warring among themselves. Not while the zombies were still a common threat. Despite my extreme cynicism about the dysfunction of large groups of people, I have much more faith in the cooperative survival skills of smaller groups. That's our evolutionary heritage at work.
 

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No matter how much I enjoyed certain aspects of the tv show The Walking Dead, I never bought into the premise of the survivors warring among themselves. Not while the zombies were still a common threat
I dunno. I find it hard to argue with the view of humanity as shown in the Battlestar Galactica redo., and they dealt with a similar premise of humanity on the brink of extermination by an unrelenting enemy. But I do have hope.
 

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Stanford Prison Experiment: the researchers provided cues and even scripts for the "guards".

Milgram: the subjects "controlling" the power knew it was faked.
Thanks, both.

I asked because recently I read Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland by Christopher Browning, which makes an interesting comparison with Zimbardo's Stanford Prison Experiment.

Reserve Police Battalion 101 were a group of ordinary working-class Germans who'd joined the Police Reserve rather as one might join the US National Guard, in the hope of avoiding conscription into the regular army and also in the hope of not being posted away from home.

They found themselves participating in Hitler's Final Solution in Poland, sometimes actually murdering the Jews they rounded up, though more usually the actual murders were delegated to local SS police auxiliaries, while Battalion 101 was usually detailed for round-up, guard and escort duties.

After the war, they were the subject of a detailed criminal investigation by the West German authorities, which included lengthy and repeated interviews with all survivors of the battalion and the book is based on an analysis of the files from the investigation.

Perhaps surprisingly, it appears that the battalion's commander, Major Trapp, was not unsympathetic to men who were uncomfortable with actually participating in the firing parties (one of whom was his own driver) and apparently, while there was certainly pressure on all the soldiers to participate, NCOs would apparently generally select the actual shooters from men who actively sought out the role, leaving the others to perform guard and escort duties.

Discussing the archives in the light of both the Stanford Prison Experiment and Milgram's experiments, Browning writes,
Zimbardo’s spectrum of guard behavior bears an uncanny resemblance to the groupings that emerged within Reserve Police Battalion 101: a nucleus of increasingly enthusiastic killers who volunteered for the firing squads and “Jew hunts”; a larger group of policemen who performed as shooters and ghetto clearers when assigned but who did not seek opportunities to kill (and in some cases refrained from killing, contrary to standing orders, when no one was monitoring their actions); and a small group (less than 20 percent) of refusers and evaders.
That is, as with the Stanford Prison Experiment, some were enthusiastic killers, but, while most of the men could be persuaded to go along with it, they didn't want to, and left to themselves, they would rather have been at home getting on with regular police duties (had they wanted to brutalise and murder people, there were plenty of other careers open to them in the Third Reich, after all).

For what it's worth, that's in line with what a family friend (now dead) said about being a POW after the fall of Singapore -- contrary to popular mythology in the UK, apparently most of the Japanese guards weren't too bad, but the problem was that no one was interested in stopping the ones who were sadists and bullies from having their fun with the prisoners.

My takeaway is that, while people seem, by default, to want to behave decently, it doesn't take a lot to change that, which why I think human rights laws, and an independent legal system prepared to enforce them, are so important.
 
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By the way the Youtube algorithm recently introduced me the Hornet King, a one man hornet removal company using a vacuum cleaner and then feeding the stuff to chickens. Mostly.

In many European countries the domestic hornet species he is working on here are by the way an endangered species and therefore under special protection. If he would be doing what he's doing to this hornet's nest in most countries of Europe this would earn him a quite hefty fine.

Warning: this video contains later the munching sound of moving larvaes in the stock. This is a sound many people do find very much disturbing or even gross, so don't use head phones or watch the video at all if the thought of living, moving larvaes in a stock is disturbing to you. You have been warned.

The video is under the spoiler link.

 
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