Nobody Cares about Britain

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I thought broccoli is a cruciferous vegetable. Fitting owners for the Bond franchise. Ditto Bezos.
 

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They can drag their chickenshit asses to Canada and enlist rather than go treat British as meat shields.
 

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Can confirm. I married a yank & moved there. Immediate massive culture shock for a gently-raised middle-class Brit relocated to Texas. One distant relative wanted to know what time we Brits sat down to afternoon tea, "Ya know, with cucumber sandwiches, fancy cakes, etc..."

Sadly we're alike in that the voters of both countries fell for the disastrous cons, Rump & Brexit.
 

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Can confirm. I married a yank & moved there. Immediate massive culture shock for a gently-raised middle-class Brit relocated to Texas. One distant relative wanted to know what time we Brits sat down to afternoon tea, "Ya know, with cucumber sandwiches, fancy cakes, etc..."

Sadly we're alike in that the voters of both countries fell for the disastrous cons, Rump & Brexit.
I lived near Sacramento for a year in the 80s, and then in the Bay Area for a time. The longer I was there, the more foreign a country the US seemed to me to be. The fact we speak the same language with different accents is very misleading (though, come to think of it, I wouldn't necessarily expect someone from Belfast to have much in common with someone from Cardiff).
 
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One distant relative wanted to know what time we Brits sat down to afternoon tea, "Ya know, with cucumber sandwiches, fancy cakes, etc..."
Wots with that poncy cucumber rubbish? Can't be bovvered wit it. Takeaway curry instead.

Sadly we're alike in that the voters of both countries fell for the disastrous cons, Rump & Brexit.
Yep. CC sadface.

The longer I was there, the more foreign a country the US seemed to me to be. The fact we speak the same language with different accents is very misleading
Ey wot? Its English innit? ;-)
 
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Crispin Odey banned from the City

If you're not British you may well say "Who?", even if you are you may well say it too.

But this charmer is one of the main driving forces and funders behind brexit.

Accused of sexual assault and harassment (against several women) he avoided a disciplinary hearing by removing all the other executives from his company and declaring that he couldn't investigate himself.

The FCA has found Odey “not a fit and proper person to perform any function related to regulated activities”.

I just like to see anyone involved in making brexit happen get his comeuppance.
 

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I'm rather a bit dismayed that I only just now learned of the attempted coup plot against Harold Wilson in the mid 70's, mostly originating around MI5, Mountbatten (the Queen chased him away from active involvement towards the periphery of it) and some prominent citizens, and also just learned about Wilson's ties to Russia through trade. I guess being a teenager at the time and having no close ties to the U.K. have kept me rather shuttered from all of it.

Can anyone discuss / fill in the missing pieces? I found out about this from a recent Mark Felton vid (which clocks in at 30 minutes, he usually limits himself to around 15 but there's really not any space to edit it down, there are a lot of details).
 
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Another interesting Mark Felton vid. He painstakingly pieced together that King George VI had secretly aided family in Germany during the occupation, directly (and covertly) inserting himself into "rescuing" the estate of the Brunswicks from Soviet capture. He diverted British troops from occupation duty to moving the estate goods (furniture, family collection, numerous artworks) to an adjacent castle in the British occupation zone. The same family that had two members fighting with the Germans in WW II, with the head of family actually being prominent within the SS.

Well, family is family, I guess, and KG VI was mostly excellent in everything else so I really can't hold any bit of a grudge over it.

 
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This comes immediately after the announcement by Just Stop Oil that they're ceasing their disruptive protests. It seems as if Youth Demand intend, or were intending, to pick up from where Just Stop Oil has left off, or at least that the police have reason to believe this is the case.

The legal position, as so often, has to be considered on a case-by-case basis, by the courts rather than by parliament, ministers or the police. On the one hand, there's the protesters' right to freedom of speech and association (European Convention on Human Rights, articles 10 and 11). On the other there's the right of everyone else to go peaceably about their lawful business, which is implied by articles 5 and 8 of the ECHR (Right to liberty and security, right to respect for private life) and also the principle in English common law that you have a right to do everything not forbidden by law).

The arrests were, as I understand it, under section 78 of the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022, which on the face of it seems not inappropriate, at least if the meeting was to discuss and plan how to carry out the sort of highly disruptive activities suggested in the Guardian article.
“Youth Demand have stated an intention to ‘shut down’ London over the month of April using tactics including ‘swarming’ and road blocks,” police said.

“While we absolutely recognise the importance of the right to protest, we have a responsibility to intervene to prevent activity that crosses the line from protest into serious disruption and other criminality.”
Youth Demand certainly have a right freely to assemble and protest, and to plan such protests and assemblies, but that has to be balanced against other people's conflicting rights freely to go about their lawful business, including the right of emergency service workers to attend emergencies, the right of patients to attend hospitals for treatment, and so on, and the courts have to balance these conflicting rights in the least restrictive way possible.

I'm content to leave it up to the courts to decide, on the basis of the available evidence, just as I would be if they had been discussing "swarming" and roadblocks to protest not against fossil fuels and against the Israeli government's possible war crimes in Gaza and elsewhere but against immigration to the UK and against abortion clinics.

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Honestly, I feel like this was mostly written to reassure himself that what's happening over here can't happen over there. A lot of his examples feel cherry picked. ...I could easily cherry pick other examples of how Xenophobia and far right tendencies are definitely growing over there. The queer community has nicknamed UK as "TERF Island" for a reason. And open racism against Indian people in particular is exploding as authorities try to contain it. I get the impression a lot of Europeans desperately want to pretend racism and anti-racism isn't also their problem but it certainly is. I know Trump has scared people over there away from their own far right politicians but I worry that is temporary.

Don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for other countries to resist this as long as they can, but denial isn't helping anyone.
 

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Honestly, I feel like this was mostly written to reassure himself that what's happening over here can't happen over there.
It's an eerie similarity to maintaining that there was something inherent in German culture that led to the rise of Hitler and the Nazis. "That could never happen here!" with "here" being anywhere other than Germany.