Military already moving equipment to southern border

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"The additional troops will provide logistical and other support to the Border Patrol, and will bolster the efforts of the approximately 2,000 National Guard forces already there. The new forces are expected to provide logistical assistance such as air support and equipment, including vehicles and tents.
National Guard troops routinely perform those same functions, so it is not clear why active duty forces are being used."

If that means (and it is open to definition) that what's happening is mostly active duty forces doing the same logistical work the Guard would be expected to do, might this just be a way for the buffoon to once again look martial to his drooling acolytes?
 

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More today from the BBC:
"Why the urgency?
Analysis by Anthony Zurcher, BBC News, Washington

After a week in which guns and bombs dominated the headlines, Donald Trump seeks to return the focus on the migrants making their way through Mexico toward the US border.

Their numbers may be dipping thanks to an offer of Mexican asylum and the length of the journey, but the president is sounding the alarm.

The deployment of 5,000 soldiers to the border will probably have little tangible impact, given that the migrants plan to file legal requests for asylum.
The urgency is questionable as well, given that it could be months before they arrive at the border.

What the announcement represents, however, is clear. The president seeks to paint the refugees as a national threat that he alone is willing to counter.
At the moment immigration is not among the top concerns of American voters.
The president, perhaps seeking political advantage, has eight days to change that."

The damn URL insists on saving as MEDIA. Even does it when I copy/paste straight, without using the linking option. Anyway, the quote's what I was after. Use this: https[COLON]//www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46026050 if you want to avoid listening to the buffoon.
 
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Also, those troops are not allowed to use force — guns — within US borders. Maybe they are just going to name call the refugees.
 

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Also, those troops are not allowed to use force — guns — within US borders. Maybe they are just going to name call the refugees.
What they will do, specifically, is also a bit of a mystery. Not only is there already someone doing what they will be doing (the Guard) but it is not like there is an invasion, much as trumpites are claiming otherwise. They are walking here to file paperwork.

Unless donnie dispatched a crack team of immigration attorneys there is not going to be a lot of call for them.
 

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The very fact Trump has deployed troops already even though the caravan is hundreds of miles away traveling maybe 10-20 miles a day at best tells me that this is nothing more than a move to help bolster Republican votes in the midterms next week. Besides, there is practically nothing the military can do once the caravan does get here, if it does. Trump needs to go familiarise himself with the Posse Comitatus Act.
 

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Trump needs to go familiarise himself with the Posse Comitatus Act.
He doesn't even know the US Constitution, the document he swore to uphold at his inauguration. He'll continue to do whatever the heck he wants, and then get shot down in the courts, as he has repeatedly already.
 

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Now he has gone from the already ridiculous 5,200 to 15k? WTF donnie?
 
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Also, those troops are not allowed to use force — guns — within US borders. Maybe they are just going to name call the refugees.
Maybe that is what the law said but he is telling them differently.
 
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Buried in the comments there. Read all of it, if you have the time/inclination but the quote is from pg 24.

That is a brand new interim final rule from the Department of Homeland Security, planned for publication in the Federal Register tomorrow to coincide with Trump issuing an order limiting crossing of the southern border for "national security reasons", which will in effect block all people who cross or seek to cross the border without authorization from ever getting asylum.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2018-24594.pdf

Pursuant to section 208(b)(2)(C) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1158(b)(2)(C), the Departments are revising 8 CFR 208.13(c) and 8 CFR 1208.13(c) to add a new mandatory bar on eligibility for asylum for certain aliens who are subject to a presidential proclamation suspending or imposing limitations on their entry into the United States pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), or section 215(a)(1) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1185(a)(1), and who enter the United States in contravention of such a proclamation after the effective date of this rule. The bar would be subject to several further limitations: (1) the bar would apply only prospectively, to aliens who enter the United States after the effective date of such a proclamation; (2) the proclamation must concern entry at the southern border; and (3) the bar on asylum eligibility would not apply if the proclamation expressly disclaims affecting asylum eligibility for aliens within its scope, or expressly provides for a waiver or exception that entitles the alien to relief from the limitation on entry imposed by the proclamation. The President has both statutory and inherent constitutional authority to suspend the entry of aliens into the United States when it is in the national interest. See United States ex rel. Knauff v. Shaughnessy, 338 U.S. 537, 542 (1950) (“The exclusion of aliens is a fundamental act of sovereignty” that derives from “legislative power” and also “is inherent in the executive power to control the foreign affairs of the nation.”); see also Proposed Interdiction of Haitian Flag Vessels, 5 Op. O.L.C. 242, 244–45 (1981) (“[T]he sovereignty of the Nation, which is the basis of our ability to exclude all aliens, is lodged in both political branches of the government,” and even without congressional action, the President may “act[] to protect the United States from massive illegal immigration.”)