Liz Warren really is part Native American

[Cindy Claveau]

Pay up, Donnieboy!!

Elizabeth Warren Fights Trump’s ‘Pocahontas’ Taunt With DNA Test Proving Native American Roots

After years of President Trump derisively referring to Elizabeth Warren as “Pocahontas,” the Democratic senator and prospective presidential candidate on Monday took the extraordinary step of releasing a DNA analysis indicating “strong evidence” that she has “Native American ancestry.”

In a brief conversation with reporters outside the White House, the president reacted to Warren’s DNA findings by saying: “Who cares?”

Trump’s top White House counselor Kellyanne Conway was similarly dismissive. “I know that everybody likes to pick their junk science or sound science depending on the conclusion it seems some days,” she told CNN. “But I haven’t looked at the DNA test and it really doesn’t interest me.”

It was President Trump, however, who said at a rally in Montana this summer that he would give $1 million to charity should Warren take a DNA test proving her heritage claims.

 

[Jopsy Pendragon]

The repulsively repugnant one's exact weasel-y words phrased it as a hypothetical...

“I’m going to get one of those little [DNA testing] kits and in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims she’s of Indian heritage...," Trump said. “And we will say, ‘I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian.'

“And let’s see what she does,” Trump continued. “I have a feeling she will say no, but we’ll hold that for the debates. Do me a favor. Keep it within this room?”

She gained nothing with this. Her supporters won't support her more. And her detractors now get to call her a fool who was easily duped into providing proof that she's even more 'unqualified' (by their racist and sexist standards) for public office.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

See, this is what escrow is for.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Pay up, Donnieboy!!

Elizabeth Warren Fights Trump’s ‘Pocahontas’ Taunt With DNA Test Proving Native American Roots

Money from a turnip, as the old saying goes. That generally, relies upon the turnip not having money. This particular turnip has a far amount, yet hides it behind tax laws. He has been making a more than fair amount due to using the Presidency for profit but yeah, he's not exactly someone who can be counted upon to pay his bills.

Pre-Presidency anyone? Yeah, we told you that he wasn't an honorable man.

 

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Meanwhile...

McCarthy brother-in-law under scrutiny for earning federal contracts based on Native American identity claim

 

[Bard Jameson]

I was disappointed that she fell for his ruse. IMHO - this was a set-up

And he won the round because she bit and went to all that trouble to prove her claim.

Then he dismisses it.

When will we learn?

 

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When will we learn?

*We* ?

 

[uzif]

A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong.
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It makes a mockery out of DNA tests..while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments & their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented & whose heritage is proven. Sen. Warren is undermining tribal interests w/her continued claims of tribal heritage.

Cherokee Nation Calls Elizabeth Warren's DNA Test 'Inappropriate and Wrong'

trump didnt say 'show me you are 1/1,024 indian (.0009765624% possibly indian blood- lower than the average american).
he said 'I will give you a million dollars ... to your favorite charity, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian.'

.0009%! we can round that to zero. if she can legit claim indian heritage, then i am black as can be!

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Big Thread:

 

[Free]

Better trolling:

No matter what Elizabeth Warren’s DNA test shows, there’s no genetic test to prove you’re Native American

More importantly: who cares? Warren should never have made this claim to begin with. It doesn’t mean anything to possibly have 1/1024 Native American ancestry if she has no ties to Native American culture or politics otherwise. The test might prove she didn’t lie about family history, but it doesn’t tell us anything else useful, and plays into the dangerous ways that people already (wrongly) conflate genetic ancestry with culture.

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Kim Tallbear, a University of Alberta professor and author of Native American DNA: Tribal Belonging and the False Promise of Genetic Science told The Atlantic. (Tallbear is a member of the Sisseton Wahpeton Oyate tribe and has written extensively on this topic.)

Additionally, having some Native American ancestry “proven” from a DNA test does not automatically mean that someone is or should be, say, a member of the Cherokee tribe. (Warren has never explicitly claimed to be a member of the Cherokee tribe, but did list herself as “Elizabeth Warren, Cherokee” under recipes she contributed for a cookbook in 1984.) “People think that there’s a DNA test that can prove if somebody is Native American or not. There isn’t,” Tallbear told New Scientist. Tribal affiliation is about more than genetics. It is also about history, culture, and political identity. The same is true of every culture, but these issues are especially sensitive given the history of the Native Americans in the US.

 

[Kara Spengler]

Cherokee Nation Calls Elizabeth Warren's DNA Test 'Inappropriate and Wrong'

trump didnt say 'show me you are 1/1,024 indian (.0009765624% possibly indian blood- lower than the average american).
he said 'I will give you a million dollars ... to your favorite charity, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian.'

.0009%! we can round that to zero. if she can legit claim indian heritage, then i am black as can be!

Uzif, if you actually read the forum you would see I already pointed out elsewhere blood quantum is meaningless for determining tribal citizenship. Even so, THAT was the test donnie challenged her on and she specifically said she was not claiming tribal citizenship.

 

[Kara Spengler]

Better trolling:

No matter what Elizabeth Warren’s DNA test shows, there’s no genetic test to prove you’re Native American

Exactly, anyone might have some other group in their ancestry but it is more of an interesting factoid. For example, after Finland my next two major branches of my background are Denmark and Ireland. Who knows? A viking may have intermarried aways back. There was a native american with an Irish last name so that is even a possibility as well. Would either have any bearing at all on who I am today?

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

... she specifically said she was not claiming tribal citizenship.

I'm 1/8th Rom, but I wouldn't claim it as my cultural identity, because I wasn't raised as one, though I do feel a kinship with them on some level, and have well before I learned of this little family 'secret' from my mom. Her mom denied it her whole life, but then, she was the Bucket lady writ american style, too. [And for those doing the math, she was half.] And my Poppop, what little I remember of him and what I know of him, didn't exactly live the lifestyle, either.

 

[Ishina]

And he won the round because she bit and went to all that trouble to prove her claim.

Yeah, in the eyes of those with no consistent criteria for winning. It would also be a win in their eyes if she did nothing. They are cultists and Trump being a winner is part of their dogma. No matter what he does, or doesn't do, his status as a winner will be spun ad hoc, even if that means defending the polar opposite of what they were defending last week. It's not a sort of winning that has anything to do with excellence or accomplishment.

 

[Cindy Claveau]

Uzif, if you actually read the forum you would see I already pointed out elsewhere blood quantum is meaningless for determining tribal citizenship. Even so, THAT was the test donnie challenged her on and she specifically said she was not claiming tribal citizenship.

She has never, to my knowledge, claimed official membership in a specific tribe nor has she claimed any benefits. The challenge was simply to show that she is "part Indian". She met the challenge, and first Dotard denied saying it, then said "who cares" and then refused to fess up to his offer. As usual.

I'm afraid she's not the one being shown as disingenuous here - as usual, that's a pretty low bar for Dotard.

 

[Kara Spengler]

Yeah, in the eyes of those with no consistent criteria for winning. It would also be a win in their eyes if she did nothing. They are cultists and Trump being a winner is part of their dogma. No matter what he does, or doesn't do, his status as a winner will be spun ad hoc, even if that means defending the polar opposite of what they were defending last week. It's not a sort of winning that has anything to do with excellence or accomplishment.

Exactly, no matter how arbitrary the conditions he set out (percent something-or-other may mean something when you are talking about what part of europe but is meaningless when talking about tribal cultures) those were his conditions. We all know he is a racist anyway, specifically towards native americans. While it would get mud on her as well the only solution was to play by his random rules and also say how pointless his criteria were.

 

[Isabeau]

 

[Khamon]

DNA is not cultural heritage. There are very clear requirements for becoming a citizen of the Cherokee nation. Both Warren and Trump are simply promoting the expectation that only Native Americans will fight for Native American rights, that nobody else will, that nobody else can.

 

[Sean Gorham]

This was never about ancestry. This was about him attacking someone he perceived as a threat. He "wins" no matter what course of action she took.

 

[Jorus Xi]

I'm 1/8th Rom, but I wouldn't claim it as my cultural identity, because I wasn't raised as one, though I do feel a kinship with them on some level, and have well before I learned of this little family 'secret' from my mom. Her mom denied it her whole life, but then, she was the Bucket lady writ american style, too. [And for those doing the math, she was half.] And my Poppop, what little I remember of him and what I know of him, didn't exactly live the lifestyle, either.

*fistbump* 1/4th here and culturally I'm white as hell.

Gonna go ahead and say this, this was a big dumb fucking "Own Goal" by Elizabeth Warren, she scored one on donnie at the expense of Native Americans.
There was no way to win this fight, but she sure picked the dumbest way to lose it. So what's the Tally sheet? Donnie doesn't care, his voters don't care, and Native Americans are at least mildly insulted that she bothered.

Oh I guess a few Dems get to be smug for 30 seconds despite maybe not thinking about how it makes certain peoples feel about their ethnicity being used as a bullet aimed at a moron. On Twitter. Where nothing matters.