Jeffrey Epstein charged

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It's probably worth remembering that she hasn't been found guilty of anything yet...
I doubt she will be -- I can't see how she can receive a fair trial now, and there must be a huge group of wealthy and powerful people doing all they can to ensure their names don't appear in any evidence.
 

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The funny things about pardons is: there is a very Murican/Hollywoodesque solution to pardon abuse - there is no rule in place to prevent the next president to pardon whomever, that includes any person who deems it neccessary to take justice into their own hands ... just saying...

In case of a failed reelection a person accused of child molestation but pardoned under questionable circumstances might be living a quite dangerous life - definatelly more dangerous than compared to having been dealt with by the justice system accordingly.
 
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The funny things about pardons is: there is a very Murican/Hollywoodesque solution to pardon abuse - there is no rule in place to prevent the next president to pardon whomever, that includes any person who deems it neccessary to take justice into their own hands ... just saying...

In case of a failed reelection a person accused of child molestation but pardoned under questionable circumstances might be living a quite dangerous life - definatelly more dangerous than compared to having been dealt with by the justice system accordingly.
Since Ms Maxwell already uses the services of a British private security service run by ex military types, I think she's well aware of that, and since I'm pretty certain she owes much of her wealth to the fact she's not frightened to do business with some of her late father's connections in both the criminal and intelligence communities, I doubt she can be greatly perturbed by cranks with guns who want to see justice done on their own terms.
 

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#BillClintonisAPedo is trending on twitter right now. I ran a quick search for 'Bill Clinton', and it turned up one or two articles about his speech at John Lewis's funeral, and then pages of articles on Clinton's involvement with the Epstein situation. A book is out now saying Bill Clinton dated Maxwell.

It's interesting to watch people going back and forth saying conservatives don't accept Trump is a pedo, or liberals don't accept that Bill is a pedo, when it seems like everybody accepts that both are pedos. It's the most bipartisan thing in this news cycle.
 

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#BillClintonisAPedo is trending on twitter right now. I ran a quick search for 'Bill Clinton', and it turned up one or two articles about his speech at John Lewis's funeral, and then pages of articles on Clinton's involvement with the Epstein situation. A book is out now saying Bill Clinton dated Maxwell.

It's interesting to watch people going back and forth saying conservatives don't accept Trump is a pedo, or liberals don't accept that Bill is a pedo, when it seems like everybody accepts that both are pedos. It's the most bipartisan thing in this news cycle.
In the absence of any actual proof of wrongdoing, I would caution against any such assumption.

Either or both of them may very well have abused Epstein's victims, but I hesitate to accuse someone of serious crimes without some sort of evidence.

However, it seems to me inconceivable that all these wealthy and powerful people whom Epstein invited to his "Pedo Island" didn't see all these young girls hanging around Epstein and didn't draw the obvious conclusions about why they were there.

They must have realised what was doing on, even if they weren't themselves directly involved, but they chose to ignore it, since it didn't matter to them. Epstein was wealthy, and well-connected, and in a position to do them favours, and probably had in the past done them some favours -- financial or otherwise -- they didn't want published, and that's all that was important.
 
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In the absence of any actual proof of wrongdoing, I would caution against any such assumption.

Either of both of them may very well have abused Epstein's victims, but I hesitate to accuse someone of serious crimes without some sort of evidence.

However, it seems to me inconceivable that all these wealthy and powerful people whom Epstein invited to his "Pedo Island" didn't see all these young girls hanging around Epstein and didn't draw the obvious conclusions about why they were there.

They must have realised what was doing on, even if they weren't themselves directly involved, but they chose to ignore it, since it didn't matter to them. Epstein was wealthy, and well-connected, and in a position to do them favours, and probably had in the past done them some favours -- financial or otherwise -- they didn't want published, and that's all that was important.
Plus there is the problem that society and even a fair number of women do not see women as having value in outself, at least not in the US... and even when I was in HS, my state considered 14 old enough for a girl to not be seen as a child for Statutory.... it changed when I was 19 or 20, but....