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I think the most recent significant generational break comes with people born much after the mid-1980s.

Much later than that and you've grown up with the internet and smartphones, and most people missed out on getting established in a career and buying a home before the 2008 crash and now Covid-19.
Sounds about right. Pre and post 'cloud kids'. They've also got a pretty different notion about driving and car ownership as well. Especially here in the states where, for decades, the car you drove was pretty much an extension of your personal identity and you were judged by it.

Now? A lot of youths look at the responsibility of vehicle ownership as a burden they'd rather not be saddled with. And who can blame them? =)
 

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I'm a late boomer/early gen X'er. My birth father trained on Shermans and stood a strong chance of being killed if the war had went on just a little while longer. My step father served in the Aleutian Islands, the Herzberg forest - only 2nd Ardennes (battle of the bulge) was a bigger meatgrinder, and was at Dacheau shortly after it had been liberated. Most of my teachers growing up had served, and many of my neighbors as well, as I grew up in a newly post war suburb which went from cow pastures and truck farms to a metro suburb practically overnight. There is a monument not 3 miles from where I grew up to one of the men who raised the flag on Okinowa.

That generation is not so distant from me either, and is personally relevant.
For me it was never having grandparents, except my mom's mom, but I knew about my grandfather being at Pearl Harbour... my mom was born in '44 so its like..... yeah.

Oh, and my spouse was adopted by a couple born in the 20s, his uncle died escorting one of the nuclear bombs...
 
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Sounds about right. Pre and post 'cloud kids'. They've also got a pretty different notion about driving and car ownership as well. Especially here in the states where, for decades, the car you drove was pretty much an extension of your personal identity and you were judged by it.

Now? A lot of youths look at the responsibility of vehicle ownership as a burden they'd rather not be saddled with. And who can blame them? =)
Probably why, even as an x, I often can relate to later generations more. I rent. I do not drive. Not that I care about not having a car, it means I do not worry about when I need a new device to use the internet.
 
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I'm a baby boomer and you're dismissing my deep emotional attachment to the actions of my father's generation. All my relatives who fought in WWII are gone now, but the last of them only died within the last few years. This might seem like ancient history to you, but even though I was born after the war, it still feels like a part of my personal history.
My point that those who became adults during the Great Depression and WWII are not the ones injured by the coronavirus stands. My point that the video conflates the people who are being injured with people who are not also stands.

My point that MAGA really stands for "Make America White Again" has not been challenged. It still stands. My contention that the video does not push the buttons one would hope for is still plausible. My suggestions for better topics for these videos to focus on have been ignored.

It was not my intent to dismiss anyone's deep emotional attachment to the past. I will admit to being cynical about all the generation labels being thrown around. That cynicism is directed at the people since the 1990's who have made a cottage industry of analyzing "generations". Those thoughts are not at all directed at you or how you feel about your family. I would be surprised if your esteem and respect for family suddenly sprang to life in 1997 (or thereabouts) because Tom Brokaw wrote some book titled "The Greatest Generation".

I know I respected my parents and relations long before Tom Brokaw wrote a book.

ETA: My favorite nostalgia trip is The Right Stuff because that was so vivid to me at the time. I hated school and we got to sprawl on the floor watching television instead, and Mercury was so exciting. My earliest memories of Brokaw are from a Gemini broadcast, I think. [The launch was scrubbed and Brokaw had to tap dance, so to speak.]
 
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While all of this is nice, I remain skeptical of the notion of needing to carve up time into "generations". To me one may as well ask what someone's sign is (zodiac). Of course, there are people who fervently believe in astrology.

Side note--interesting how Stein's "lost generation" label for Ernest Hemingway and his friends gets conflated with the horrible loss of life in WWI.
 

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Nah. Planet & season of birth is pretty weak influence on identity.

But spending one's impressionable years in a depression or world war shapes a mind differently than growing up during the sexual revolution, or the cold war that followed it.

The covid-19 milestone will be pretty divisive too. Those of us that were already grown-up will revert back to our usual ways after it runs its course. But those maturing during this pandemic are having a pretty radically different experience than those that came before or after. It'll shape who they are for life in ways the rest of us will have difficulty relating to. :}
Like gen X is a real thing or people born from 1901 to 1927 are all part of the same generation. I call bull shit.
 

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Honestly the gens should have a smaller gap inbetween them.

My experience is vastly different than people who are 3-5 years older/younger than me I've found.
 
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Like gen X is a real thing or people born from 1901 to 1927 are all part of the same generation. I call bull shit.
In the LGBTQ+ community particularly there's a -huge- difference between GenX and Millenials.

I'm an X'er. Cold war hanging over our heads like a perpetual drizzle of doom, the Gay Plague and queer uprising creating the biggest backlash of homophobia we've seen before or since. Evangelicals/televangelists hijacking the conservative party. Goths, punk, metal, electronic, newwave, there was a culture of morbidity and live-in-the-moment hedonism, because we're all eff'd. We're also the last generation to really know what it's like to have a career and employer provided healthcare. We were the last to know what it was like to share cultural awareness with the nation thanks to a limited number of broadcast radio and television stations. Since then, only the rarest phenomenon become 'household names'.

It's no wonder that 80's retro nostalgia is so popular, it's the last time Americans actually felt some kind of unity, imho.

Millenials/GenY generation are all off in different directions, on-demand niche-tailored media. As individuals, they seem far more interested in producing content then consuming it. AIDS is unpleasant, not a death sentence, LGBTQ+ education, awareness and acceptance exists even if not universally. They grew up more liberated, but also more desperate as automation and consolidation shuttered more and more entry level jobs they needed.

The basic foundations of 'what matters' individually to people in my generation and theirs is pretty radically different. Same is true for the gap between my generation and boomers who grew up embracing or rebelling against the more rigid and conformist social norms of their time. I'll never truly be able to relate to the "stepford-wifs"e vs. "free love" range of their spectrum.
 

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While all of this is nice, I remain skeptical of the notion of needing to carve up time into "generations". To me one may as well ask what someone's sign is (zodiac). Of course, there are people who fervently believe in astrology.

Side note--interesting how Stein's "lost generation" label for Ernest Hemingway and his friends gets conflated with the horrible loss of life in WWI.
Depends on how you're identifying different "generations" and why, I suppose.

A lot of it, I agree, is simply marketing hype, which I guess is highly relevant if you're trying to sell your proposals to the client, and may or may not represent something that's useful in the short term, but I think there are some major changes in society and the economy over time that, with hindsight and depending on how you're looking at history and why, make such divisions helpful.

The two World Wars mark significant changes of this sort, I think, not just because of the massive loss of life and the experience of total warfare, but also because of the huge societal and economic changes they helped bring about.

As I suggested earlier, I do think that the mid-80s represent one of those important punctuation points, since the changes that followed the collapse of the Soviet Union (some as direct or indirect consequences, and some more coincidental) seem, with hindsight, to have had such profound effects.
 
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Depends on the

Depends on how you're identifying different "generations" and why, I suppose.

A lot of it, I agree, is simply marketing hype, which I guess is highly relevant if you're trying to sell your proposals to the client, and may or may not represent something that's useful in the short term, but I think there are some major changes in society and the economy over time that, with hindsight and depending on how you're looking at history and why, make such divisions helpful.

The two World Wars mark significant changes of this sort, I think, not just because of the massive loss of life and the experience of total warfare, but also because of the huge societal and economic changes they helped bring about.

As I suggested earlier, I do think that the mid-80s represent one of those important punctuation points, since the changes that followed the collapse of the Soviet Union (some as direct or indirect consequences, and some more coincidental) seem, with hindsight, to have had such profound effects.
Yes, gen x missed 'duck and cover' but we have the same existential dread of the whole planet that later generations just can not grasp.
 

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Like gen X is a real thing or people born from 1901 to 1927 are all part of the same generation. I call bull shit.
What? Gen X is a thing. At its heart it, or any generation, is about shared experiences. In addition to some that have already been cited such as The Cold War and along with it MAD, AIDS and economic opportunity, there is the concept of latchkey kids, college as a requirement and along with that the beginnings of lifelong debt, the destruction of unions as the pc and other technology created new job environments , the beginnings of economic insecurity in particular as the world opened up and cheap labor was exploited worldwide. If you look at the numbers, the actual wage income as adjusted for inflation hasn't risen since 1972 or so. That encompasses almost all of the entire life cycle of Gen X so far. The 24 hour news bubble with cable tv and later he internet dedicated to "opinion" rather than fact. In addition I would add the concept of climate change with all of its attendant meanings for the future.

As I said before, that ad which you cited as not being very useful due to the fact that most of the greatest generation are no longer with us, still resonates with baby boomers and gen x, because those were our parents and grandparents. We have direct experience with them in our lives. Alongside the direct personal knowledge of their sacrifices we received the education that taught us exactly what sacrifices they had made and why. So maybe it doesn't resonate with you, but it definitely does for this gen x'er.
 

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Like gen X is a real thing or people born from 1901 to 1927 are all part of the same generation. I call bull shit.
They're called labels. And though they tend to oversimplify, learn how they can be useful.
 

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If they had just put the ribbon in the Eagle's talons, it would look standard as an American symbol. But no, they have to go and do it up Nazi.
It's not just that -- the eagle is looking in the wrong direction, I think, if it's supposed to be the American eagle.

 
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I wonder if I could "Trump up" some comic book or spy thriller evil organizations and see how well they fly...
 
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