#JAILTOTHECHIEF- Shit Just Got Real

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I am guessing most did not think the darker predictions would actually come true. They just wanted to own the libs.
You guessed wrong. Unlike you, I read the thread, or at least the top layers. There were literally thousands of posts, and the tenor of the discussion was remarkably honest and thoughtful. It made for a very interesting and sober read.

Many of the posters admitted that they weren't paying enough attention, just going by quick headlines and their own family history of voting Republican. They all had different breaking points, but said that since those epiphanies they have been reading, thinking and deeply regretting the part they played in Trump's election.

Another segment voted for Trump as the maverick, non-establishment candidate, not fully realizing how disturbed he was or believing his bombast was just campaign rhetoric that would be set aside once he was in office.

Many mentioned that they voted for Trump because he wasn't Hillary Clinton. The decades-long hate campaigns against her were quite successful in making her an anti-Christ figure for reasons those people couldn't even articulate. None of them seemed to fully recognize that they had fallen prey to outright propaganda; they regretted voting for Trump, but didn't make the leap (or at least didn't confess) to the disinformation against Clinton.

Overall, there was remarkably little attempt to justify their vote for Trump. On the whole, it was of a confession, a humble admission of error, and many have vowed to work hard on Biden's behalf for the 2020 election.

The most poignant of all, however, were the younger voters who described "losing" their parent (almost always a father) to Fox News and Trumpism. Men they had respected, who had once been measured and thoughtful, had morphed into hatred, derision of others, and absolute belief in Trump. When the posters broke away from Trump, they often ended up breaking away from family as well.
 

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The most poignant of all, however, were the younger voters who described "losing" their parent (almost always a father) to Fox News and Trumpism. Men they had respected, who had once been measured and thoughtful, had morphed into hatred, derision of others, and absolute belief in Trump. When the posters broke away from Trump, they often ended up breaking away from family as well.
This part hits close to home. My father believes ANYTHING right wing media tells him and projects that his kids are just as gullible with the left wing media.
 

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I'd sure like to know where he gets his "facts" from.
When donnie says "Lots of people say", he's referring to the voices in his head. His actual polling by republicans is 85%, 39% Independents, 5% democrats.

Gallup Tracking Poll (halfway down the page)

His low point was in the upper 70's when they were trying to eliminate the ACA/Obamacare.
 

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Monster moustache AKA John Bolton wrote now a book about his time as security advisor named "The room where it happened." It seems to be not the easiest piece of text around, something you must really gnaw at to swallow the juice tid bits. The Trump administration is trying now to pull it from the shelves before it comes out with a law suit.

Still, it’s maybe a fitting combination for a lavishly bewhiskered figure whose wonkishness and warmongering can make him seem like an unlikely hybrid of Ned Flanders and Yosemite Sam. His one shrewd storytelling choice was to leave the chapter on Ukraine for the end, as incentive for exhausted readers to stay the course. Along the way, Bolton also mentions other disconcerting situations when Trump, he says, tried to ingratiate himself to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Chinese President Xi Jinping by dangling the possibility of removing or easing pressure on the Turkish bank Halkbank and the Chinese telecom companies ZTE and Huawei.

Trump told Erdogan that Halkbank’s legal troubles for violating the administration’s sanctions on Iran would disappear once the “Obama people” who worked as prosecutors in the Southern District of New York were “replaced by his people,” Bolton writes, deeming it an ultimately empty promise. “It was as though Trump was trying to show he had as much arbitrary authority as Erdogan.”

Trump’s conversation with Xi, in Bolton’s telling, was even more nakedly transactional. In the midst of talks about trade, Trump “turned the conversation to the coming U.S. presidential election, alluding to China’s economic capability to affect the ongoing campaigns, pleading with Xi to ensure he’d win,” Bolton writes. “I would print Trump’s exact words, but the government’s prepublication review process has decided otherwise.”


Why he did not testify: “Had I testified,” Bolton intones, “I am convinced, given the environment then existing because of the House’s impeachment malpractice, that it would have made no significant difference in the Senate outcome.”

 

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Trump told Erdogan that Halkbank’s legal troubles for violating the administration’s sanctions on Iran would disappear once the “Obama people” who worked as prosecutors in the Southern District of New York were “replaced by his people,” Bolton writes, deeming it an ultimately empty promise. “

Bahahahahahaha! He probably really did think he could just do that, too.
 

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This part hits close to home. My father believes ANYTHING right wing media tells him and projects that his kids are just as gullible with the left wing media.
One of my pet peeves. I can not think of many progressives that only follow one news source and most hold their fave ones to a really high standard.
 

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Monster moustache AKA John Bolton wrote now a book about his time as security advisor named "The room where it happened." It seems to be not the easiest piece of text around, something you must really gnaw at to swallow the juice tid bits. The Trump administration is trying now to pull it from the shelves before it comes out with a law suit.

Still, it’s maybe a fitting combination for a lavishly bewhiskered figure whose wonkishness and warmongering can make him seem like an unlikely hybrid of Ned Flanders and Yosemite Sam. His one shrewd storytelling choice was to leave the chapter on Ukraine for the end, as incentive for exhausted readers to stay the course. Along the way, Bolton also mentions other disconcerting situations when Trump, he says, tried to ingratiate himself to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Chinese President Xi Jinping by dangling the possibility of removing or easing pressure on the Turkish bank Halkbank and the Chinese telecom companies ZTE and Huawei.

Trump told Erdogan that Halkbank’s legal troubles for violating the administration’s sanctions on Iran would disappear once the “Obama people” who worked as prosecutors in the Southern District of New York were “replaced by his people,” Bolton writes, deeming it an ultimately empty promise. “It was as though Trump was trying to show he had as much arbitrary authority as Erdogan.”

Trump’s conversation with Xi, in Bolton’s telling, was even more nakedly transactional. In the midst of talks about trade, Trump “turned the conversation to the coming U.S. presidential election, alluding to China’s economic capability to affect the ongoing campaigns, pleading with Xi to ensure he’d win,” Bolton writes. “I would print Trump’s exact words, but the government’s prepublication review process has decided otherwise.”


Why he did not testify: “Had I testified,” Bolton intones, “I am convinced, given the environment then existing because of the House’s impeachment malpractice, that it would have made no significant difference in the Senate outcome.”

The funny thing it already exists, just was embargoed so people could read it and write reviews. Which was a total suprise to Barr.
 

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Some snippets from Bolton's book. None of which will be a surprise, I think, but Finland is trending on Twitter because the orange didn't know it was its own country.

 

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Bolton: Refuses to testify at House impeachment hearing

Also Bolton: "Democrats did impeachment wrong, they should've gone after him for all this other stuff that I refused to testify about."

Screw that guy all the way down, quite frankly. He had a chance to impact the process and he fought to keep from doing it. So to hell with him and whatever he has to say.
 

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There were literally thousands of posts, and the tenor of the discussion was remarkably honest and thoughtful. It made for a very interesting and sober read.
I really liked this exchange:

Ordinary person makes thoughtful post:


Along comes Chad Chadsworth wearing far too much Eau de Dapperfash and 1993 video:


And Joyous won't have any of it:



 

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Some snippets from Bolton's book. None of which will be a surprise, I think, but Finland is trending on Twitter because the orange didn't know it was its own country.

It should be glad Finland does not have nuclear ICBMs and a leader to match what we unfortunately seem to have. Finland just marked 100 years of breaking away from Russia. If it wants to know the sentiment over there just google how we got the term 'molotov cocktail'.
 
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I really liked this exchange:

Ordinary person makes thoughtful post:


Along comes Chad Chadsworth wearing far too much Eau de Dapperfash and 1993 video:


And Joyous won't have any of it:



They want to talk racism in 1993?
That's when Dump was fighting like hell to keep the Mohawk tribes from having casinos on Native lands.
Thing is, Dump stayed racist and got worse, and there's plenty of evidence for it.
If they have to go all the way back to 1993 for something to smear Biden as a racist with, that says something whether they like it or not.
 
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