Huawei and conspiracy theories

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Why Huawei? Anyone who knows anything knows Apple iPhones are largely build in China with Chinese parts, but they're not getting blacklisted. What exactly did Huawei do to earn Trump's ire?
Well that's the thing. This thread isn't wrong, in that there's a lot of conspiracy theories floating around about Huawei that aren't well supported; but the government's position appears to be based on information that isn't currently public. A tech-savvy politician named Brianna Wu who I follow on Twitter has a pretty even take on this:


It may be nothing, an Trump is leveraging a very moderate intelligence concern about Huawei's safety into a huge threat due to his adversarial trade position with China. But that's not to say there's no problem at all; a couple of years ago the US government suddenly banned government employees and contractors from using Kaspersky antivirus software and the decision was made fun of at the time, but the government later made a convincing case that Kaspersky software had been uploading classified files from NSA workers' computers to Russian servers, and investigative media uncovered credible ties between Kaspersky execs and Russian intelligence agencies. Funnily enough, Trump had absolutely zilch to say about Russia or Kaspersky at the time that all went down.
 

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Well that's the thing. This thread isn't wrong, in that there's a lot of conspiracy theories floating around about Huawei that aren't well supported; but the government's position appears to be based on information that isn't currently public.
The thing is that since America found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and presented it to the amazed world, that all claims by the American government without hard proof simply are not trustworthy, even if they might be true. The American government is a notirious bunch of lyers, and this time the biggest lyer of them all is even the president, so it is really hard to give them and John Bolton any serious credit at all.

Aside that mobile phone networks are considered insecure by default by most companies; that's why they do use client side end to end encryption, if they really need to communicate somewhat more secure about that.
 

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I should probably check for security updates for my tablet while I still can...
 
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The paranoia being exhibited by our government is freaking insane!
I'm not sure the drone issue is paranoia. Nearly 80% of commercially used drones are made by one Chinese company. The warning itself talks about securing the drones to prevent access to internal networks and to prevent them from transmitting sensitive data to external sources. China has been extremely aggressive in their espionage and IP theft activities, so it's not simply paranoia to be concerned about the potential of the devices to compromise security.
 

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The ban is far more wide spread than only Google:

Intel decided to no longer supply processors and other hardware to Huawei, for use in its laptops and server products. Sales of AMD processors will stop, too. Qualcomm-Broadcom have decided to stop supply of mobile SoCs and network PHYs, respectively. Microsoft decided to stop licensing Huawei to use Windows and Office products.


My opinion is this is: yes, it will hurt Huawei in short term; but the Chinese are quite resilient. This is going to be the initial moment for China to develop finally this stuff on their own, and to get rid of the technological dependency once and for all! In a few years all these American companies are going to face tough competition from China; they are quite capable of producing their own CPUs, SoCs and what else.
 

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My neighbor lived 7 years in Shanghai, and lead a chemical plant there.

He, like many other managers, doesn't worry so much about the IP theft, but that China is going to take over the innovation leadership in many important areas sooner than we would think about. In his opinion the times when China was just copying stuff are over; China is transforming into an innovation driven economy quite fast and unnoticed, and we're unprepared for that.

And the biggest warning sign so far has been the landing of the Chinese vehicle on the back side of the moon; it clearly showed the world what China's engineering is already capable of.

But coming back to the above article: yes, China sets up barriers for entering its market. But the behaviour Trump is now showing exactly will only do fortify that strategy, because it clearly shows China what's going to happen if it is dependant on American companies in important areas.
 
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Huawei is developing their own platform to compete with "Android" (really Google Play - Android is open source), and if they are blocked from using Play they'll have to actually push it hard, unlike Samsung with Tizen which only gets a half-hearted effort, which could end up splitting the phone market. Another Trump win.
 
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China has been extremely aggressive in their espionage and IP theft activities, so it's not simply paranoia to be concerned about the potential of the devices to compromise security.
Yeah China's espionage is multidirectional, and concern about it didn't start with Trump's goon squad.

For instance, most people have heard of the Waldorf Astoria hotel in New York; some know that pretty much every US president since Hoover, up until Trump, has stayed there when visiting New York, particularly when it's for the annual big UN shindig. A suite at the hotel was also the official residence of the US ambassador to the UN. That all changed in 2014 when a Chinese insurance company (???) bought the Waldorf Astoria for almost 2 billion dollars and announced plans for "renovations", including to the VIP suites. President Obama's Secret Service chief and State Department security officials basically blacklisted the Waldorf Astoria because of the security risk, and he used different hotels from then on; the UN ambassador's official residence was moved to 50 UN Plaza. Trump of course doesn't use any hotel when visiting New York because he has private quarters there, although I'm not sure Trump has ever stayed overnight in New York since his inauguration even when he has visited.
 

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It's a good thing for the rest of the world that the US secret services are honest like the boy scouts when it comes to backdoor usage and spying other nations and their own people.
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It's a good thing for the rest of the world that the US secret services are honest like the boy scouts when it comes to backdoor usage and spying other nations and their own people.
:rolleyes:
True, but that does not negate the threat of what China is doing.
 
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President Obama's Secret Service chief and State Department security officials basically blacklisted the Waldorf Astoria because of the security risk, and he used different hotels from then on; the UN ambassador's official residence was moved to 50 UN Plaza. Trump of course doesn't use any hotel when visiting New York because he has private quarters there, although I'm not sure Trump has ever stayed overnight in New York since his inauguration even when he has visited.
Yes well, a sensible move. Then again it's the UN and people count on getting wiretapped there by every intelligence agency of every major country, and get disappointed if it is not happening.

Aside that this goes also the other way around, there's been a long well known history for America wiretapping the Russian embassy in Washington, D.C.

BTW the ban has been delayed for 90 days, because many small rural mobile cell phone networks in America run mostly Huawei equipment.

The DHS by the way is warning to operate Chinese drones in America; they could leak sensisble data to China. Again, it's a valid idea and would be a valid thread, since 74% of the drones are from one company. But you can also read the jealousy of the American intelligence agencies out of this warning, because they would clearly make it so if the company would be American. Then again most cloud space is in America, which is a very nice feature for the American intelligence agencies there.
 
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True, but that does not negate the threat of what China is doing.
Yeah it's not so much that they're saying technical espionage is some kind of sin and China are evil monsters for doing it; it's just that it's part of the American intelligence community's job that they're supposed to interdict efforts by other countries to do it in the US.
 
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