Has The Israeli Goverment BecomeThe Monster?

[Soen Eber]

I think it's a combination of the IDF's hubris and Hamas getting increased foreign support from governments, particularly Iran. There is some reporting that Iran may have assisted with this attack to a very large degree, though I admit I don't completely trust the sources as to what extent. I believe Iran has been doing a lot to stir the pot here. ...not that Netanyahu has helped much either.

I remember 10 years back or so a lot of Israelites surrounding Gaza were alarmed at the extent of tunnel building throughout their area. The IDF mostly ignored it.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

Breaking news: the Supreme Court of Israel ruled that ultra-orthodox jews are no longer exempt from serving in the army!

This decision might lead to the end of Netanyahu's coalition.

The court ruled that in the absence of a law that distinguishes between Jewish seminary students and other draftees, Israel’s compulsory military service system applies to the ultra-Orthodox like any other citizens.

Under longstanding arrangements, ultra-Orthodox men have been exempt from the draft, which is compulsory for most Jewish men and women. These exemptions have long been a source of anger among the secular public, a divide that has widened during the eight-month-old war, as the military has called up tens of thousands of soldiers and says it needs all the manpower it can get. Over 600 soldiers have been killed.

Politically powerful ultra-Orthodox parties, key partners in Netanyahu’s governing coalition, oppose any change in the current system. If the exemptions are ended, they could bolt the coalition, causing the government to collapse and leading to new elections.

Israel's high court orders the army to draft ultra-Orthodox men, rattling Netanyahu's government

The decision could lead to the collapse of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s governing coalition as Israel continues to wage war in Gaza.

apnews.com

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

Breaking news: the Supreme Court of Israel ruled that ultra-orthodox jews are no longer exempt from serving in the army!

This decision might lead to the end of Netanyahu's coalition.

The court ruled that in the absence of a law that distinguishes between Jewish seminary students and other draftees, Israel’s compulsory military service system applies to the ultra-Orthodox like any other citizens.

Under longstanding arrangements, ultra-Orthodox men have been exempt from the draft, which is compulsory for most Jewish men and women. These exemptions have long been a source of anger among the secular public, a divide that has widened during the eight-month-old war, as the military has called up tens of thousands of soldiers and says it needs all the manpower it can get. Over 600 soldiers have been killed.

Politically powerful ultra-Orthodox parties, key partners in Netanyahu’s governing coalition, oppose any change in the current system. If the exemptions are ended, they could bolt the coalition, causing the government to collapse and leading to new elections.

Israel's high court orders the army to draft ultra-Orthodox men, rattling Netanyahu's government

The decision could lead to the collapse of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s governing coalition as Israel continues to wage war in Gaza.

apnews.com

This is huge and awesome. I've heard a lot about how the ultra-orthodox support all the military action but refuse to fight in it.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

And especially these right wing jews are the ones with very aggressive views as well, so this is indeed a change for the good.

 

[Soen Eber]

And especially these right wing jews are the ones with very aggressive views as well, so this is indeed a change for the good.

Someone will have to print up several copies of "An introduction to karma" for them.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

“Put up or shut up, chickenhawks.”

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

Someone will have to print up several copies of "An introduction to karma" for them.

Karma is a religious concept which has no place in the Jewish religion.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

Karma is a religious concept which has no place in the Jewish religion.

Karma doesn't care.

 

[Free]

Middah k'neged Middah: Jewish "Karma" | Sefaria

www.sefaria.org

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

Israel has greenlit new settlements in the West Bank in an enormous dick move.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/03/israel-turbocharges-west-bank-settlement-expansion-00166584

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Do you ignore the deaths of Jews or of Palestinians? Close your eyes and pick a side

Damon Albarn at Glastonbury

nickcohen.substack.com

Evernote Link

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

Breaking news: the Supreme Court of Israel ruled that ultra-orthodox jews are no longer exempt from serving in the army!

"I didn't think I would have to rip people's faces off" says leopard.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

"I didn't think I would have to rip people's faces off" says leopard.

I don't think that's the case here. From what I've read (admittedly mostly in Haaretz), Benjamin Netanyahu and his far-right and ultra-religious coalition partners are very upset about the ruling.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

I don't think that's the case here. From what I've read (admittedly mostly in Haaretz), Benjamin Netanyahu and his far-right and ultra-religious coalition partners are very upset about the ruling.

Yes. But I think what Argent means is that they are getting a taste of their own medicine since the ultra-religious coalition supports wars they don't have to fight in.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

And lets not forget the ultra-religious are one of the main driving forces to continue the illegal settlements in the West bank!

 

[Soen Eber]

Yes. But I think what Argent means is that they are getting a taste of their own medicine since the ultra-religious coalition supports wars they don't have to fight in.

And I'm sure that once they're in the army they won't perpetuate any war crimes because of their deeply religious training, won't they? But then, would anyone even notice, given the current attitudes within the IDF?

 

[Ellie]

The official death count has always seemed too low to me, due the many unidentified bodies, some still lying buried under rubble in inaccessible areas, and indirect deaths due to shortages of medical care, food, shelter and water.

The Palestinian-provided data on deaths is now only contested by those with an agenda, after Israeli intelligence accepted them as accurate, in part because only the bodies formally identified are included.

Using publicly available information, we compared the Gaza MoH's mortality reports with a separate source of mortality reporting and found no evidence of inflated rates.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02713-7/fulltext

Documenting the true scale is crucial for ensuring historical accountability and acknowledging the full cost of the war. It is also a legal requirement.

The Lancet (!) estimates there may have been as many as 186,000 Palestinian deaths, or around 8% of the population.

In recent conflicts, such indirect deaths range from three to 15 times the number of direct deaths. Applying a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death to the 37,396 deaths reported, it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186,000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza. Using the 2022 Gaza Strip population estimate of 2,375,259, this would translate to 7·9% of the total population in the Gaza Strip. A report from Feb 7, 2024, at the time when the direct death toll was 28,000, estimated that without a ceasefire there would be between 58,260 deaths (without an epidemic or escalation) and 85,750 deaths (if both occurred) by Aug 6, 2024.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

As the world slowly starts to apply logic and common sense to its thinking about and reporting of this conflict, I'm hoping the deluge of propaganda will seem increasingly weaker, and the shills will lose therir power to scream, "Dead babies" or the like to distract the public, each time some new and damming article drops.

 

[Mona Eberhardt]

The official death count has always seemed too low to me, due the many unidentified bodies, some still lying buried under rubble in inaccessible areas, and indirect deaths due to shortages of medical care, food, shelter and water.

The Palestinian-provided data on deaths is now only contested by those with an agenda, after Israeli intelligence accepted them as accurate, in part because only the bodies formally identified are included.



https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02713-7/fulltext



The Lancet (!) estimates there may have been as many as 186,000 Palestinian deaths, or around 8% of the population.


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

As the world slowly starts to apply logic and common sense to its thinking about and reporting of this conflict, I'm hoping the deluge of propaganda will seem increasingly weaker, and the shills will lose therir power to scream, "Dead babies" or the like to distract the public, each time some new and damming article drops.

Did you see any Western media give this report the time of day?

 

[Ellie]

Did you see any Western media give this report the time of day?

You mean like CNN?

“The majority of news since the war began, regardless of how accurate the initial reporting, has been skewed by a systemic and institutional bias within the network toward Israel,” said one CNN staffer. “Ultimately, CNN’s coverage of the Israel-Gaza war amounts to journalistic malpractice.”

According to accounts from six CNN staffers in multiple newsrooms, and more than a dozen internal memos and emails obtained by the Guardian, daily news decisions are shaped by a flow of directives from the CNN headquarters in Atlanta that have set strict guidelines on coverage.

They include tight restrictions on quoting Hamas and reporting other Palestinian perspectives while Israel government statements are taken at face value. In addition, every story on the conflict must be cleared by the Jerusalem bureau before broadcast or publication.

Oh, and there's this...

CNN journalists say the tone of coverage is set at the top by its new editor-in-chief and CEO, Mark Thompson, who took up his post two days after the 7 October Hamas attack.

CNN staff say that some journalists with experience of reporting the conflict and region have avoided assignments in Israel because they do not believe they will be free to tell the whole story. Others speculate that they are being kept away by senior editors.
“It is clear that some who don’t belong are covering the war and some who do belong aren’t,” said one insider.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2024/feb/04/cnn-staff-pro-israel-bias

And the others.

That the memo of directives for the current Israeli war on Gaza was in English suggests that it was intended for Western media. Foreign journalists working in Israel must obtain government permission, including a declaration that they will abide by the censor.

“In order to get a visa as a journalist, you have to get approval from GPO” — Government Press Office — “and therefore you have to sign a document that says you will comply with the censor,” said Omer-Man. “That in itself is probably against the ethics guidelines at a bunch of papers.”

Nonetheless, many journalists do sign the document. While The Associated Press, for instance, didn’t respond to The Intercept’s query about whether it cooperates with the military censor, the news wire has in the past reported on the issue, including admitting that it holds itself to the directive.

“The Associated Press has agreed, like other organizations, to abide by the rules of the censor, which is a condition for receiving permission to operate as a media organization in Israel,” the agency wrote in a 2006 story. “Reporters are expected to censor themselves and not report any of the forbidden material.”

Exclusive: Israeli Military Censor Bans Reporting on These 8 Subjects

 

[Ellie]

A few media appear to have escaped Israeli censorship.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/12/gaza-death-toll-indirect-casualties

‘More than 186,000 dead’ in Gaza: How credible are the estimates published on The Lancet?

At least 186,000 deaths in Gaza could result from the Israel-Hamas war, researchers estimate