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Not true, because Biden was always as weird and gaffe prone as he is now. People just forgot about that while he was a quiet VP.
Biden's gaffes - misspeaking - are not the same as some of the things he's doing now. He does not sound as sharp, even when he had his foot in his mouth. And he's definitely low energy.
 
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Bernie has more energy and vitality than half of the field, and is clearly still as sharp as ever. Biden, however, is exhibiting some cognitive decline.
Exactly, while they are about the same age Bernie has MUCH more energy, connects with young people, and is more active than people decades younger than him.
 

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Care to tell me how you pick your news sources?
By looking at who funds them (when that information is available) and then keeping that in mind when I read their sites or watch their shows. E.G. I don't take The Daily Beast at face value if and/or when they talk about socialism. :)

And also friend recommendations in some cases.

[ETA]I forgot to reply to your earlier point:
I am not sure what the source of derision is?
The derision is at the idea of considering either TYT or the BBC "independent" media. Then again every time I've gone to watch TYT they're blathering on the same sort of crap ("russia, russia, russia"[1]) that MSNBC is.


[1]My gripe isn't that Russia isn't a problem; they are. My gripe is with the way that the media simultaneously uses it as a handwave/distraction while failing to do even minimal voter education on spotting disinformation. From my point of view they're quite happy to exploit the problem themselves, but less enthused about doing any hard work to actually fucking solve it.
 
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I don't understand why they'd see Biden as over the hill but not Bernie. They're very close in age (Bernie being a bit older).
They come off very differently in person - Bernie still seems middle aged. But most of the difference is probably in policy. Young people have much less power in the workplace than Boomers had twenty years ago, and are naturally well to the left of them as a result, but the TV watching public seems unaware of this. These skewed polls are silencing adults under 50.
 

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Bernie and Biden may be close in age, but the images they project are generations apart.

Bernie is boisterous, impassioned, and "radical" by today's standards. His single-minded focus on income inequality -- at a time when the general population is finally beginning to recognize this issue is affecting them -- makes him seem cutting-edge. He's also been ruthlessly consistent, which gives him an aura of a "non-politician." This focus also obscures the ways in which Bernie is mired in old patterns of thinking -- such as the lack of women and minorities in his close circle of planners and advisors.

In contrast, Biden is the living embodiment of "the establishment" in his center/right policy stances over the decades, especially his alignment with corporate interests. His association with Obama created the perfect role as "favorite uncle", ever-present but never taking center stage. Now he's stepping into the limelight and we're seeing all the reasons he's never made it as a presidential candidate before. He radiates a past generation in behaviors such as his unselfconscious gropey familiarity with women and folksy, awkward humor, but he also talks about the past incessantly. He reaches back decades for anecdotes.

tl:dr - Bernie looks old in an edgy way, Biden just looks old.
 

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Biden's gaffes - misspeaking - are not the same as some of the things he's doing now. He does not sound as sharp, even when he had his foot in his mouth. And he's definitely low energy.
I totally agree, I was mostly trying to be funny. He was always a mess in his presentation, but he IS slower.
 
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This focus also obscures the ways in which Bernie is mired in old patterns of thinking -- such as the lack of women and minorities in his close circle of planners and advisors.
That's just not true. His staff is 70% women, and it's very diverse. His most vocal representative is Nina Turner, a black woman. His campaign manager is a person of color who is Muslim. Bernie is listening and has always been a champion of racial justice, a champion for women, and the LGBTQ community before it was cool. ETA: Decades before it was cool.
 
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That's just not true. His staff is 70% women, and it's very diverse.
Thank you for the correction. I had a different impression from the first presidential campaign, but it didn't dissuade me from supporting Sanders then. I don't support him now, but for entirely other reasons. I still like Sanders, but I've been waiting a decade for Warren to run.
 

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By looking at who funds them (when that information is available) and then keeping that in mind when I read their sites or watch their shows. E.G. I don't take The Daily Beast at face value if and/or when they talk about socialism. :)
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The derision is at the idea of considering either TYT or the BBC "independent" media. Then again every time I've gone to watch TYT they're blathering on the same sort of crap ("russia, russia, russia"[1]) that MSNBC is.
I look at where a news source gets their funding and/or slant but do not consider that a disqualifying factor except where I do not consider something news but pure propaganda. I then take that information and apply it to what they say.

In my opinion, if you get only one source of information, no matter what that source is, you are not following the news.

Oh, and re-read my posts. I was listing different types of media, not implying they all have the same characteristics. Or are you saying that I said the Post was independent media and a foreign news source? I also did not list more direct things, like cspan or viewing congress from a gallery.
 
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Thank you for the correction. I had a different impression from the first presidential campaign, but it didn't dissuade me from supporting Sanders then. I don't support him now, but for entirely other reasons. I still like Sanders, but I've been waiting a decade for Warren to run.
Yeah, if Elizabeth and Mayor Pete were not running it would be much easier deciding who to support. There are good odds I will support Bernie at least until the convention though. My niece will just barely not be able to vote this time but is already more politically active than most adults (for example, she came down to DC for the march for our lives rally on a bus days away from her birthday). Of course she is big on Bernie so how could I not be?
 

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