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Katheryne Helendale

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Probably for different reasons, but I agree with you. We are at serious risk of getting the default Trump second term.

Fractured. You say that 30+% is truly deplorable, that's a bad place to start. Will the real deplorables please stand up? Depending on which vantage point you take, everyone is surrounded by deplorables. To the elite class, we're unruly bottom-feeders who want free stuff from the world they own. To those who were born with nothing, the deplorables are those born with something and believe they earned it. The fact that you feel comfortable calling millions of people you don't know "deplorable" might qualify you as deplorable.

I have friends and family who aren't higher educated. They live in rural areas. They've suffered huge human losses. They cry real tears. They've worked with two hands for little compensation, but still have something in their hearts and hands to give back to another person. We don't get to choose for them. Writing them off and acting snobbly hasn't been working out too well.

Democrats are supposed to be for the working class who are taking refuge with Trump. You can't call people "deplorables" and expect them to follow you for their own good, unless you live on a plantation and purchased them as field hands, Scarlett.
Wow. Oh wow. Where do I even begin with this one?

Nope. I'm sitting this one out. Someone pass me the popcorn.
 
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But Trump’s general approval ratings have me worried.
His Approval Ratings have been underwater (disapproval > approval) since the second week of his presidency, and have been sinking lately. Not sure what you are worried about. The mid-2017 dip was due to trying to eliminate the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare). The one at the start of this year was from the government shutdown. The latest drop appears to be worries of a recession from his trade war. In the 9th district of North Carolina yesterday, which had to be redone due to electoral fraud, the Democrat lost by 2%, but in a district that normally leans 14% R, and Trump won by 12% in 2016. In other words, the Democrat did *much* better than expected. If that happens across the country next year, he'd lose in a landslide.
 

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Yang's UBI proposal is bad, because it's UBI then getting rid of welfare programs as unnecessary and using a VAT to pay for it.

Bad bad bad.
It will do very little to close the wealth gap, especially for low income single parents. It will be great for people who have a cushion and can pay off some debt, but that will only exacerbate the wealth gap. The one area where it would do some good is for the people who fall through the cracks and cannot get public assistance. I don't know how large that segment of the population is. I was watching an interview about it, from one of the major proponents of the concept, but since people hate the videos, you all can look it up yourselves.
 
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It's basically a slight boost to the middle class at the expense of the poors.

I'm all for UBI and we'll need something like it as automation gets rid of more and more jobs but no, his idea for implementation is terrible.
 
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I still think Hillary Clinton would have won the 2016 election if she'd chosen Elizabeth Warren as her VP. Their two appearance together were electric.
Some of us saw this as a cat playing with a mouse and knew there was no chance in hell EW would be HRC's VP. This was HRC signalling to Sanders supporters that she was progressive. I sometimes signal that I can fly, slay dragons and solve crimes in my spare time, too.
 

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tl;dw: It's pretty easy to figure out what EW would get from the Clinton machine (and it's not policy or campaign advice). The question is, what would HRC get? There's always a price.
 

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Yang's UBI proposal is bad, because it's UBI then getting rid of welfare programs as unnecessary and using a VAT to pay for it.

Bad bad bad.
I’m no fan of a VAT, but I’d much rather have a UBI than live in fear my SSDI is going to be pulled in five years. Even with a “severe” physical disability rating, there’s still a review, and I’ll only be around 60 - too young for retirement, too old to escape ageist job discrimination even if I could work.

People confuse the Social Security and Medicaid programs. Any supports I would need for medical reasons would come from Medicaid. Replacing SSI, and the part of SSDI below the UBI level, with UBI won’t remove the Medicaid or Medicare.

Also: if I do get better, under a UBI I could go back to work gradually, instead of facing a financial cliff by having my SSDI pulled.

Taxes used to be a lot higher before Reagan. We could raise them again and still be fundamentally under the system we are now. There’s the argument all the rich would flee to tax havens, but most of them already have as much as they can.

Anyone who is middle class enough that they can imagine a situation where they’d need a government income (including retirement) is probably better off under democratic socialism than under austerity and low taxes.
 

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It will do very little to close the wealth gap, especially for low income single parents. It will be great for people who have a cushion and can pay off some debt, but that will only exacerbate the wealth gap. The one area where it would do some good is for the people who fall through the cracks and cannot get public assistance. I don't know how large that segment of the population is. I was watching an interview about it, from one of the major proponents of the concept, but since people hate the videos, you all can look it up yourselves.
Anecdotally, I know of a lot of people who should be on SSI/SSDI and can’t get it. Even most of the people who did get it had to wait through a long process of many months to get it, and share the first payment with their lawyer. That delay can be long enough to kill a disabled homeless person.
 

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It's not about her being a woman, so this "burn the witch" thing? That's nonsense.
Has anyone else ever noticed that all the techniques that "aren't about xyz being a woman" are usually deployed in a similar manner - mostly against women?

But, this is silly. Post a million videos proving that Hilary and Warren knew each other and even liked each other and literally everyone else here just shrugs.
 

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Probably for different reasons, but I agree with you. We are at serious risk of getting the default Trump second term.

Fractured. You say that 30+% is truly deplorable, that's a bad place to start. Will the real deplorables please stand up? Depending on which vantage point you take, everyone is surrounded by deplorables. To the elite class, we're unruly bottom-feeders who want free stuff from the world they own. To those who were born with nothing, the deplorables are those born with something and believe they earned it. The fact that you feel comfortable calling millions of people you don't know "deplorable" might qualify you as deplorable.

I have friends and family who aren't higher educated. They live in rural areas. They've suffered huge human losses. They cry real tears. They've worked with two hands for little compensation, but still have something in their hearts and hands to give back to another person. We don't get to choose for them. Writing them off and acting snobbly hasn't been working out too well.

Democrats are supposed to be for the working class who are taking refuge with Trump. You can't call people "deplorables" and expect them to follow you for their own good, unless you live on a plantation and purchased them as field hands, Scarlett.
Well, that’s an interesting reply, but I think you misinterpreted my post, which I admittedly wrote in haste. Unfortunately, I don’t have time to address this fully, but here’s a few quick points:

1) I’m not calling anyone deplorable based on their education level. And if you want to get into some sort of low-education friend contest, that seems like an odd, unrelated hobby, but ok. A good chunk of my friends read and write at a lower elementary level. They also posses hearts, hands, tear ducts. They each actually came as complete anatomical sets, and some even have bonus wisdom teeth! I eagerly anticipate my trophy being delivered to my house, but it has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

2) I’m not expecting anyone to follow me. I don’t think I’m cult-leader material. I have sweet pony who follows me around a pasture, but he’s one of those anarchist types who refuses to vote.

3) The slave owner analogy was certainly unexpected, as was the Scarlet jab. Again, however, it’s based on several faulty assumptions. Are you interested in discussing what I meant vs. what you decided I meant after pole vaulting over my words? No clue, and I have to log off, but I’ll try to clarify what I meant tomorrow because, oh, I can't think about this now! I'll go crazy if I do! I'll think about it tomorrow. But I must think about it. I must think about it...After all, tomorrow is another day. [ Editorial note: The last part of Point 3 was deplorably plagiarized from a site with quotes from the movie that the deplorable plagiarizer can’t stand.]
 

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It will do very little to close the wealth gap, especially for low income single parents. It will be great for people who have a cushion and can pay off some debt, but that will only exacerbate the wealth gap. The one area where it would do some good is for the people who fall through the cracks and cannot get public assistance. I don't know how large that segment of the population is. I was watching an interview about it, from one of the major proponents of the concept, but since people hate the videos, you all can look it up yourselves.
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Han Held != VV1 ...ask pretty much anyone on here!

That said, you're absolutely right about the effects UBI would have on the income inequality gap. It's another scam, because of course it is. They wouldn't be floating it if it wasn't.
 

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While reading this and this about the democrats I've been stumbling lately upon Noam Chomsky.

The late Chomsky said this: "In the US, there is basically one party - the business party. It has two factions, called Democrats and Republicans, which are somewhat different but carry out variations on the same policies. By and large, I am opposed to those policies. As is most of the population."

What do you think about this claim that in reality in his opinion the USA have a one party system?
 
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While reading this and this about the democrats I've been stumbling lately upon Noam Chomsky.

The late Chomsky said this: "In the US, there is basically one party - the business party. It has two factions, called Democrats and Republicans, which are somewhat different but carry out variations on the same policies. By and large, I am opposed to those policies. As is most of the population."

What do you think about this claim that in reality in his opinion the USA have a one party system?
Sounds like something Gore Vidal would say.

Or George Carlin:

And yes ...they're absolutely fucking correct. However, shit changes -as Rome, France and Russia have all found out at different times in history.

I vote as far left as possible, but I'm aware that it's at best phyrric -I believe it's also temporary, as well.
 

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While reading this and this about the democrats I've been stumbling lately upon Noam Chomsky.

The late Chomsky said this: "In the US, there is basically one party - the business party. It has two factions, called Democrats and Republicans, which are somewhat different but carry out variations on the same policies. By and large, I am opposed to those policies. As is most of the population."

What do you think about this claim that in reality in his opinion the USA have a one party system?
I would click the agree button. Chomsky is right. Nader was right. Stein was right. etc. There is basically one party in what they actually accomplish for the working class, but you still must pick a side to avoid being a traitor. We've been on this course my entire life, and from the looks of it, nothing is going to change. We've been served the same thing by actors, clowns, shysters, liars, of all kinds. It's high time we have a woman do it. (y) No, it's really going to be different.

 

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Has anyone else ever noticed that all the techniques that "aren't about xyz being a woman" are usually deployed in a similar manner - mostly against women?

But, this is silly. Post a million videos proving that Hilary and Warren knew each other and even liked each other and literally everyone else here just shrugs.
It would be silly if all it was about was knowing each other and maybe liking each other. But it's not, and I've said it a number of times already.
 

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It would be silly if all it was about was knowing each other and maybe liking each other. But it's not, and I've said it a number of times already.
I'll take her actual actions over conspiracy theory, every time. She has a record of standing up against big business, big pharma, big everything. Its there in plain sight.
 

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I was watching an interview about it, from one of the major proponents of the concept, but since people hate the videos, you all can look it up yourselves.
Not everyone hates your videos. You always conduct yourself politely. You don't cuss people out or use hive tactics to silence others.
YOU STARTED THIS TOPIC and it's been popular. You shouldn't make yourself small to curry favor with people you know you don't want to be like.
One of the really valuable things you bring is your video topics. They are thoughtful. You were treated poorly and didn't deserve that. Do what you do.