Porsupah Ree
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A few tidbits from today:
Guardian Live: Most voters do not believe a customs-union Brexit would honour referendum result, poll suggests
Guardian Live: Corbyn seeks to make Euro elections about social justice, not Brexit, as he launches Labour campaign
But he did, somewhat intriguingly, go on to add, in a brief Q&A session with reporters:
Guardian Live: What Corbyn said about how a second referendum could be 'a healing process'
Personally, I'd say he's off the mark in even looking at reconciliation at this point - there's been absolutely no reconsideration of the referendum result, despite the admitted illegalities involved, let alone the manifold, outright lies. We'll definitely need to look into cooling things down, but with the Mail and friends merrily tossing fuel onto the fire daily, stoking the calls for "DELIVER BREXIT!!1!" (ignoring all the details involved) and May's departure (and then what?), we're still at the point of the fire raging through the building, not tamping down the embers.
I'll continue to support the Greens in the EU election, though I can see some merit in going with the LDs, and even Labour - the tepid PV support aside, I'm much more interested by Labour's policies under Corbyn than since NuLabour came about. In a GE, it's largely irrelevant - this is a constituency that's as safely Con as they come. (Yay FPTP)
Guardian Live: Most voters do not believe a customs-union Brexit would honour referendum result, poll suggests
Almost three quarters of voters (74%) think a Brexit deal involving the UK staying in a customs union with the EU would not honour the referendum result, the poll suggests.
Meanwhile, Corbyn's been reiterating his ambivalent stance:A plurality of voters support a confirmatory referendum, the poll suggests. Some 49% of people are in favour, and 30% are against. Labour supporters strongly back the idea (by 67% to 10%). But even Conservative supporters are very narrowly in favour (by 43% to 41%), the poll suggests.
Guardian Live: Corbyn seeks to make Euro elections about social justice, not Brexit, as he launches Labour campaign
As we've seen, without any bounding conditions on just when a deal is determined not to have been reached, and a GE not having been obtained, this is meaningless. As we entered 2019, with the original deadline looming, I anticipated the leadership accepting that the first two options hadn't been achieved, and that a PV would be embraced as the only remaining option. It seemed obvious that with the original deadline looming, then they'd concede. And yet, here we are, with neither a deal nor a GE conceded.Labour’s alternative plan for Brexit, which protects jobs, living standards and communities, would end the chaos caused by the Conservatives and let us focus on the other big issues facing our country. But we can never accept the government’s bad deal or a disastrous no deal. So if we can’t get a sensible deal, along the lines of our alternative plan, or a general election, Labour backs the option of a public vote.
But he did, somewhat intriguingly, go on to add, in a brief Q&A session with reporters:
Guardian Live: What Corbyn said about how a second referendum could be 'a healing process'
Hardly unequivocal support, but somewhat more direct than he's been inclined until now. I can't read much into this, but I'll be filing this away as a mental note that he might be telegraphing a shift toward actual, unqualified PV support at some point, as this does suggest support for a PV even on the basis of a Corbyn/May deal, which would be a major step forward.The view we put forward, the party conference put this forward, the national executive agreed this, [was] that we should include the option of having a ballot on a public vote on the outcome of the talks and negotiations on what we’re putting forward. I would want that to be seen as a healing process, and bringing this whole process to a conclusion.
Personally, I'd say he's off the mark in even looking at reconciliation at this point - there's been absolutely no reconsideration of the referendum result, despite the admitted illegalities involved, let alone the manifold, outright lies. We'll definitely need to look into cooling things down, but with the Mail and friends merrily tossing fuel onto the fire daily, stoking the calls for "DELIVER BREXIT!!1!" (ignoring all the details involved) and May's departure (and then what?), we're still at the point of the fire raging through the building, not tamping down the embers.
I'll continue to support the Greens in the EU election, though I can see some merit in going with the LDs, and even Labour - the tepid PV support aside, I'm much more interested by Labour's policies under Corbyn than since NuLabour came about. In a GE, it's largely irrelevant - this is a constituency that's as safely Con as they come. (Yay FPTP)