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EU may offer to extend deadline for Brexit deal to June
Leaders summit to consider ‘range of dates’ next week, with current talks all but dead
Not in the least. I've been keeping as up to date as I can on the issues being reported. Creating a new border is bound to come with issues but how badly they impact business and people is going to depend a lot on how it's managed and brexit has been about as badly managed as it could possibly be.No, I really think you're misunderstanding the nature of the problem with the Irish Border.
Quite apart from the very real risk of restarting the violence, there's the simple logistical problem of having two separate customs regimes and product standards for foodstuffs and goods.
That is unavoidable. What effect do you think border checks are going to have on moving cattle between England and Scotland? How is Scotland going to collect tariffs on goods coming from England if they're subject to EU import duties?
It would be a complete nightmare.
Russia is in the EEA? Id better go and read up on the EEA again. What about Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Macedonia, Serbia and Bosnia? All in the EEA?Other countries bordering the EU are part of the European Economic Area, which involves being part of a customs union, and that's a very sensible thing to be if you're not part of the EU.
You're right, of course.Russia is in the EEA? Id better go and read up on the EEA again. What about Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Macedonia, Serbia and Bosnia? All in the EEA?
Because all of them have borders with EU countries. The border between Finland and Russia is longer than mainland UK.
As you will recall, the reason May's Withdrawal Agreement was unacceptable to her party and the DUP was, if (when) the two year transition period came to an end, the UK would have to remain in a customs union with the EU precisely in order to avoid customs checks at the border between the RoI and NI.Not in the least. I've been keeping as up to date as I can on the issues being reported. Creating a new border is bound to come with issues but how badly they impact business and people is going to depend a lot on how it's managed and brexit has been about as badly managed as it could possibly be.
Knowing the end state in advance and having time to prepare for it would make things less fraught. Hence why even May's deal came with a transition period. Naturally even if well managed unplanned issues occur and could have negative consequences but I would expect independence to be better planned than brexit.
In an unusual move, [Lord] Carloway said the issues were so significant and time-sensitive that the court could not make a definitive ruling on whether the prime minister had broken the Benn act until 19 October had passed.
He said the judges would suspend a final ruling on whether to order Johnson to comply, or send the Benn act letter to the EU itself, until Monday 21 October. Then, he said, “the court will expect to be addressed on the facts that present themselves”.
They had also asked the court to use their unique powers, known as nobile officium, to write that letter on his behalf if he failed to do so. Carloway said they would also postpone a decision on that until 21 October.
The 21st? Why not reconvene at 12:01 AM on the 20th? If bojo does not sign it on the 19th surely every second will count to fix his mess? Is Sunday *that* important over there that they would risk it?![]()
Court delays decision on forcing PM to seek Brexit extension
Campaigners asked Scottish judges to order Johnson to write to EU if he fails to get dealwww.theguardian.com
Basically, they've adjourned the case until October 21, to see what happens on October 19, the date the Benn Act stipulates that Johnson must write to the EU requesting an extension if he has not by that time secured parliamentary approval for a Withdrawal Agreement negotiated with the EU/
If you re-read the article, you will see that the petitioners hadThe 21st? Why not reconvene at 12:01 AM on the 20th? If bojo does not sign it on the 19th surely every second will count to fix his mess? Is Sunday *that* important over there that they would risk it?
If Johnson fails to comply with the law, then the court will, on the 21st, doubtless use its power of nobile officium (generally shortened to "nob off" by Scots lawyers, I am delighted to learn) to write the letter on his behalf as well as to visit upon him the full weight of its judicial ire, backed up with appropriate penalties.asked the court to use their unique powers, known as nobile officium, to write that letter on his behalf if he failed to do so. Carloway said they would also postpone a decision on that until 21 October.
Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, had signalled on Tuesday he was likely to order a delay after Lord Pentland, a judge sitting in the outer house of the court of session, had ruled on Monday that the prime minister’s promises to obey the Benn act had to be taken seriously.
Carloway, Brodie and Drummond Young’s ruling broadly supported Pentland’s view that since the prime minister had not yet broken the law it was difficult to issue an interdict, or injunction, forcing him to obey it.
Sorry, but that does not make it clearer to me. They are sending the letter on the 21st but not the 20th?If you re-read the article, you will see that the petitioners had
If Johnson fails to comply with the law, then the court will, on the 21st, doubtless use its power of nobile officium (generally shortened to "nob off" by Scots lawyers, I am delighted to learn) to write the letter on his behalf as well as to visit upon him the full weight of its judicial ire, backed up with appropriate penalties.
If he's foolish enough to renege on the assurances he has, through the government's legal representatives, given the court, it's difficult to overstate the gravity of the political and legal consequences he'll immediately face.
The court has plenty of time to deal with him if he gives them reason to.
ETA: This, commenting on yesterday's judgment by the lower court, which was today upheld: The 128 chilling words in the Scottish case
The court ruled that, since Johnson, through the government's law officers, has given solemn assurances that will carry very severe legal penalties for him, and professional sanctions for the law officers, if he breaks them, the court cannot reasonably assume he intends to do anything but abide by his legal obligations and comply with the requirement he request an extension from the EU in the terms required by law.Sorry, but that does not make it clearer to me. They are sending the letter on the 21st but not the 20th?
Nah. Plenty of time to waist left.Sorry, but that does not make it clearer to me. They are sending the letter on the 21st but not the 20th?
Gently as an aside since you've made this error before: wastewaist
To, two and too aren't that hard. Two is always a number. If a sentence sounds fine replacing too with "also" then too is the word.Okay........ and thanks.
I will make that mistake most likely again in the future, I guess. If the spell checker doesn't ring the alarm bell, I'll think it's okay.
Than and then, to and too are in the same league for me.
The problem is they are juggling hand grenades. If bojo does not sign it on the 19th (which there is good reason to suspect he will not do) there is not much time to go to plan B. Sorry, but it still does not make much sense to me to waste the 20th.The court ruled that, since Johnson, through the government's law officers, has given solemn assurances that will carry very severe legal penalties for him, and professional sanctions for the law officers, if he breaks them, the court cannot reasonably assume he intends to do anything but abide by his legal obligations and comply with the requirement he request an extension from the EU in the terms required by law.
Therefore, there is no need to take any unusual measures, such as sitting on a Sunday.
However, because of the nature of the case, the court will, on the first subsequent sitting day, Monday, require both sides to attend, advise the court on whether Mr Johnson has honoured his binding commitments and obligations, and to make submissions as to what should happen next.
If Johnson has kept his word to the court, then end of story.
If, however, the court is not satisfied he has fulfilled his obligations and honoured the assurances he gave the court, then the court has the power, which it is invited to use, to submit a fully effective application for an extension on Johnson's behalf, thus resolving the immediate issue, and then to decide how best to deal with Mr Johnson (which could involve severe financial penalties or even prison).
So, one way or another, unless parliament either approves a deal acceptable to the EU27, or approves the proposition that we leave without a deal, an application for an extension will be submitted to the EU no later than the 21st, whether by Johnson himself or the court on Johnson's behalf.
Where's the problem?