France’s state secretary for European affairs has confirmed that the EU27 are not prepared to reopen the Brexit withdrawal agreement, and that without a “new political line” in the UK or a second referendum, Britain must expect to leave the bloc on 31 October.
“As President Macron has said, if there is a totally new political line in Britain, the Europeans would be prepared to reconsider,” she said. “But for now, 31 October is the final deadline.” A no-deal Brexit was “not what France wants”, de Montchalin added, “but we are prepared for it, and so it is now a realistic option.”
A no deal Brexit comes closer indeed.
You've got to understand that the vast majority of people does not use media to expand their horizon, but to confirm it. Since we are in the age of the filter bubble this is nowadays a real problem.I've come to realise that people use their hearts and not their heads when choosing a political party to support. They cling to their ideas of what the parties stand for, and ignore what they actually say and do. It seems to me much like picking a football team and then sticking with them through thick and thin. The addition of Brexit choices to the mix is what has caused utter confusion, as that is also a subject on which most people have a heart-feeling either for or against the EU. It's hardly surprising that there is an overwhelming antipathy to the EU in the UK when the papers have barely ever said anything positive about the EU - all the coverage has been persistently negative. I never saw any coverage of the financial support given to deprived areas, or the provision of superfast broadband to Cornwall etc.
I wouldn't call that an example of social mobility since Trumpy's gran hardly started at the bottom.While it's all very well that the son of a German draft-dodger and brothel-keeper could go on to become a billionaire, and that his son should go on to become POTUS, this does not, in itself, prove that the US is a particularly fair or equal society.
I suppose we can make an educated guess what your answer would be.Do I even have to say what I would pick if I had to choose between living in Finland and living in the US?
He doesn't want the new European Commission and executive to have to deal with Brexit? Has he been out drinking with Boris Johnson and Dominic Raab, or maybe sniffing some of Michael Gove's coke?
A no deal Brexit comes closer indeed.
As I suspected Macron has had it with the Westminster Punch and Judy Show.
And to be honest, I tend to agree with him more and more
No more vague promises to get another extension and then only kick the can down the road again, with no progress whatsoever.
It is time that the EU can move forward. With or without the UK.
No, it's simply repeating what everyone knows.No Deal then
Sorry, but it is no nonsense at all. It is inconvenient and not the best possible solution. Yes, all true, but no nonsense.Honestly, this the sort of nonsense we expect from the Conservative leadership also-rans, like Andrea Leadsom, not from the President of France.
The expectation here is much the same, except that the "workable solution" has to be a general election -- something has to break the deadlock and that's all that will achieve it.Sorry, but it is no nonsense at all. It is inconvenient and not the best possible solution. Yes, all true, but no nonsense.
Seen from this side of the pond what is totally not happening in the UK is movement or at least working towards a Brexit solution.
What we only witness is a Tory theater about who will be the next PM and then everyone in Westminster will most likely go on a happy summer recess and then in October nothing substantial will be agreed. Yet again.
Macron will agree on another extension, but only if the UK comes up with a workable solution with a time table when what will be done to finally get an outcome.
The EU has problems functioning properly as long as it is not clear what one of the big countries is going to do. This can not continue for years to come. We (EU27) might be better off biting the bullet end October, then let the wound fester for whatever time the UK likes to play the Brexit game.
That's a she, not a he.He doesn't want the new European Commission and executive to have to deal with Brexit? Has he been out drinking with Boris Johnson and Dominic Raab, or maybe sniffing some of Michael Gove's coke?
I was alluding to the quotation I reproduced in my post:That's a she, not a he.
But apart from that, headlines can be deceptive. What Amélie de Montchalin actually said was that without a new political line in the or a second referendum, UK must expect to leave EU on 31st October.
I'm afraid that's just realism. Unless something drastic happen on the British side, a new extension will only postpone the inevitable. Let's hope something drastic does happen.
"He" was meant to refer to President Macron.
Labour will launch the first step in an audacious cross-party attempt to block a new prime minister from forcing through a no-deal Brexit in October.
The shadow Brexit secretary, Keir Starmer, threw down the gauntlet to Tory cabinet ministers including Amber Rudd and Philip Hammond, saying they should back Labour’s attempts if they were serious about preventing no deal.
If passed, the motion would give MPs control of the parliamentary agenda on 25 June. The same motion could then potentially be used to begin legislation to prevent the UK from leaving the EU without a deal.
The motion, which Labour will table during the opposition day debate on Wednesday, has the backing of the former Conservative minister Oliver Letwin and the leaders of the Scottish National party, Plaid Cymru, the Liberal Democrats and the Greens.
Unlike typical opposition day debates, the motion, if passed, will be binding, but it will need to secure the support of more Conservative MPs.
The plan, which has been a closely guarded secret, comes as several Tory leadership contenders, including Boris Johnson – who will launch his campaign on Wednesday – emphasised their willingness to accept a no-deal Brexit.
Those who have worked on the plan include leading former and current Conservatives including Nick Boles and Dominic Grieve.
Oh, you mean the second quotation in your post - I only noticed the first one.I was alluding to the quotation I reproduced in my post:
Hidden right at the end of the article of course. It doesn't make a good headline.However, Macron left the door open for another extension of the Brexit deadline if Britain decided to ask for time to launch a second Brexit vote. “It’s feasible if we have the perspective of either a new referendum or a totally new scheme which would be acceptable for the 27 and our negotiator.”
Well, and why not - if you want to recognize what's good and bad about your own country it never hurts to look at how other countries are doing it and where the differences are.But the more I read here and elsewhere about Brexit and Trump, the harder I find it to compare the Nordic societies to the Anglo-Americans at all.
Throughout those two squabbles I've seen Brits and Americans (especially Americans) compare their societies to some Nordic country. Sometimes it's in a positive way, sometimes in a negative way but in either case it's usually so alien to the society I know and am a part of it's hard to relate to it in any sensible way.
One minister predicts that Mr Johnson will win the leadership contest but his premiership will be “very short-lived”. “The Tory party is on life support. Boris is like a shot of morphine — they will feel great for a bit then realise it’s killed them,” he says. There could be another election, or a second referendum, within months.
You might find this article interesting -- it explains the political and social context in which the idea should be consideredOk - so we'll see. For me social mobility is a fundamental part of social justice; you cannot have the latter without the first one. It just doesn't work.
Again? Come on Innula, show me ONE labour MP who has ever suggested that Labour would revoke article 50 if they won a general election.The expectation here is much the same, except that the "workable solution" has to be a general election -- something has to break the deadlock and that's all that will achieve it.
The hope then is that the Conservatives will at that point implode and we'll end up with a minority Labour government who will then withdraw the A50 notification (and those who want to can blame the LibDems and SNP, who will, of course, take credit for saving us).
The other possibilities are just too horrible to think about right now.
It looks like Europe is concluding that No Deal is the only way to end the brexit fiasco and will allow the UK to fall out in order to inflict a dose of reality onto our political class and voters. The rest of Europe has seen what Brexit has done to the UK and none of them want it, no matter how mad they are, they won't be repeating Britain's mistake of leaping into the toilet and flushing their future away.I think it's a difference in emphasis, that's all.
In the UK, most informed commentary (including from a lot of Conservatives MPs) works on the assumption that, whoever becomes leader of the Conservative Party, she or he will have to ask for an extension to hold an election or a referendum, and that all talk of renegotiating the Withdrawal Agreement at this stage is so much nonsense.
Looks as if politicians in Continental Europe are seeking to reassure their voters and to warn Conservative leadership candidates that they're not impressed with nonsense about Boris Johnson (or anyone else) making them
give him a unicorn for breakfastrenegotiate the WA because they're frightened he's serious about a no-deal Brexit.
Most people here are as sick and tired of the whole ghastly mess as are people on the Continent, and also accept that the only three options are no-deal, revoke or the Withdrawal Agreement. It's just that the political process, in both the Conservative Party and Westminster as a whole, takes time to catch up on it.
But there is movement -- see my post above about how Labour are leading a serious cross-party attempt to block a no-deal Brexit starting 25 June, which is the next chance they have.
That is why some continental politicians are sadly coming round to the idea that no deal might be the only way to jolt UK politics into a clearer-eyed appraisal of the country’s needs regarding European markets, and what that costs.
“Brexit is dead,” one EU diplomat told me recently. Surprised by the bluntness of this assertion, I countered that it was very much alive. The clarification came back: yes, obviously it could still happen, and on the worst possible terms, but viewed from the outside, intellectually, as a proposition based on the original 2016 arguments for leaving the EU, the debate is over. Not even the most nationalistic parties in other member states contemplate taking Euroscepticism to the lengths taken in Britain.
Well... the EU must protect itself against a possible Boris Johnson government. Let's say the UK is installing a trolling commissioner, and the government will always block stuff just because it can, so disrupting the EU from the inside out. That's one possible tactic.It looks like Europe is concluding that No Deal is the only way to end the brexit fiasco and will allow the UK to fall out in order to inflict a dose of reality onto our political class and voters. The rest of Europe has seen what Brexit has done to the UK and none of them want it, no matter how mad they are, they won't be repeating Britain's mistake of leaping into the toilet and flushing their future away.
Yes but I'm beginning to get a feeling we're comparing apples to oranges here. Or rather that we're talking about single superficial details without considering the context or the historical, geographical and cultural factors our different societies are built on.Well, and why not - if you want to recognize what's good and bad about your own country it never hurts to look at how other countries are doing it and where the differences are.