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Just to note --- there are 9,500 members of this group out of 20,000 agents. I score that as just shy of 50%. Throw in a few percentage points for those with the same attitudes who either don't Facebook at all or don't post in that group and it's an easy majority.

"A few bad apples" my ruby red butt. This is a whole bad orchard.
 

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Just to note --- there are 9,500 members of this group out of 20,000 agents. I score that as just shy of 50%. Throw in a few percentage points for those with the same attitudes who either don't Facebook at all or don't post in that group and it's an easy majority.


"A few bad apples" my ruby red butt. This is a whole bad orchard.
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The point about apples, as anyone who's grown them knows, is that you have to inspect them for rot and badness throughout the growing and harvesting process, and most especially when they are stored, because otherwise the rot and corruption will spread so rapidly that you lose the entire crop.

That's what the saying means -- even if there are only a few rotten apples in the barrel, you have to act immediately and drastically or the whole barrel will rapidly rot, too.
 
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I just saw this and was about to post about it. This disgusted me, in particular. These cretins. They represent this country. They are the brownshirts while ICE is the SS,; Barr, Trump and company are the higher up Nazis.

And in early 2018, federal investigators found a raft of disturbing and racist text messages sent by Border Patrol agents in southern Arizona after searching the phone of Matthew Bowen, an agent charged with running down a Guatemalan migrant with a Ford F-150 pickup truck. The texts, which were revealed in a court filing in federal court in Tucson, described migrants as “guats,” “wild ass shitbags,” “beaners” and “subhuman.” The messages included repeated discussions about burning the migrants up.
They share that kind of inhuman talk amongst themselves and then go act on it. They may think they are being funny amongst friends, but none of this is funny and none of them are coming forward to report it. It took a court case for it to come to light.
 

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I just saw this and was about to post about it. This disgusted me, in particular. These cretins. They represent this country. They are the brownshirts while ICE is the SS,; Barr, Trump and company are the higher up Nazis.



They share that kind of inhuman talk amongst themselves and then go act on it. They may think they are being funny amongst friends, but none of this is funny and none of them are coming forward to report it. It took a court case for it to come to light.
I just wish we had a better name for them, even though it is SO apt. Everyone that wants to defend them laughs, mutters that it is a Godwin, and the libs are going to an extreme. Plus also magaites will try saying nazis were socialists (of course they could not be further from the truth).

What do you call actual nazis other then, well, nazis?
 

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I just wish we had a better name for them, even though it is SO apt. Everyone that wants to defend them laughs, mutters that it is a Godwin, and the libs are going to an extreme. Plus also magaites will try saying nazis were socialists (of course they could not be further from the truth).

What do you call actual nazis other then, well, nazis?
I don't really care if nazis don't like being called nazis. I will continue to say it. They can bellow and argue about the name all in effort to distract from the evil that they are doing at its core. I don't think their tactic is new nor will it hold as long as the horrors continue to make their way into the public eye.

I refuse to engage the truly stupid ones that you reference. They have impure motives through and through so why would I even try? They know what they are and what they believe about entire groups of people. It is the rest of the world and those that actually have two brain cells in their head and a conscience that need to hear exactly what is happening and moreso be moved to do what we can to stop this inhumanity.
 

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I don't really care if nazis don't like being called nazis. I will continue to say it. They can bellow and argue about the name all in effort to distract from the evil that they are doing at its core. I don't think their tactic is new nor will it hold as long as the horrors continue to make their way into the public eye.

I refuse to engage the truly stupid ones that you reference. They have impure motives through and through so why would I even try? They know what they are and what they believe about entire groups of people. It is the rest of the world and those that actually have two brain cells in their head and a conscience that need to hear exactly what is happening and moreso be moved to do what we can to stop this inhumanity.
I am not talking about the nazis themselves. Do not like being called a nazi? It is quite simple .... do not be one.

My point was about the people who are not on the left. It gives magats yet another reason to think they are tweaking off the left. People in the middle do not pay attention because they think we are overreacting rather than being descriptive.
 
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I am not talking about the nazis themselves. Do not like being called a nazi? It is quite simple .... do not be one.

My point was about the people who are not on the left. It gives magats yet another reason to think they are tweaking off the left. People in the middle do not pay attention because they think we are overreacting rather than being descriptive.
I understand, but do you really believe that those who say the nazis were socialist are arguing in good faith? Those in the middle who see what is happening, assuming they aren't fox news adherents, need to continue to see what is happening. Their actions speak louder than any words or names that are used to describe what is happening.

If I were in the middle and people were comparing the actions of my own government to those of the nazis, I think I would pay attention. But then, I think it must take a special kind of disinterest to NOT be able to see it.
 
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I just saw this and was about to post about it. This disgusted me, in particular. These cretins. They represent this country. They are the brownshirts while ICE is the SS,; Barr, Trump and company are the higher up Nazis.
Trump is up and foremost a prime example of a neoliberal politician. The are many similarities between the neoliberal and national socialists ideology; the difference though is that the nazi ideology in the end wants to reach other and more extreme goals by other means in some areas.

But going from neoliberal to nazi is not such a wide gap.

Both have in common their origin: a hatred on the achievements of the revolution of 1789, so egalitarian democracy, socialism, unions, human rights and so on...

Both do favour social darwinism - the strong will survive, the weak shall suffer/will perish, and want to implement an oligarchy of the elites, which is deeply anti-democratic. What is being considered/wanted as an elite though might differ between those two ideologies.

The neoliberals have as other myth the "free market", while nazis have the myth of "race/nation" and breeding an "ethically pure race." So this is the big difference here.

The role of the individual again is the same: both should be subservient to the market/nation: "you are nothing, the market/nation is everything." Both want not only to influence parts of society, but control fully what individuals think like in 1984.
 
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Trump is up and foremost a prime example of a neoliberal politician. The are many similarities between the neoliberal and national socialists ideology; the difference though is that the nazi ideology in the end wants to reach other and more extreme goals by other means in some areas.

But going from neoliberal to nazi is not such a wide gap.

Both have in common their origin: a hatred on the achievements of the revolution of 1789, so egalitarian democracy, socialism, unions, human rights and so on...

Both do favour social darwinism - the strong will survive, the weak shall suffer/will perish, and want to implement an oligarchy of the elites, which is deeply anti-democratic. What is being considered/wanted as an elite though might differ between those two ideologies.

The neoliberals have as other myth the "free market", while nazis have the myth of "race/nation" and breeding an "ethically pure race." So this is the big difference here.

The role of the individual again is the same: both should be subservient to the market/nation: "you are nothing, the market/nation is everything." Both want not only to influence parts of society, but control fully what individuals think like in 1984.
I tend to agree on all with the exception that there is much difference between what you call neoliberals and nazis, inasmuch as it relates to the current administration and its adherents. They are a breed unto their own with an unholy alliance of nazis, free-market cultists, evangelicals, etc...Trump is on record as believing that he and his family are born of superior genes. He, most definitely, believes in eugenics. Others than Trump believe themselves to be superior by virtue of having been born to wealth or having used the labor of others to achieve that wealth as well as having been born white and in a wealthy country. The countries/nations that are not white are all shitholes, remember.

The entire border policy is predicated on their belief that immigrants from countries south of the US - read brown people, are weakening the power of whites in every way and therefore must be kept out, even as they profit off the fruits of their labor. That they are focusing almost exclusively on the southern border rather than on the myriad of other and oftentimes more successful ways that immigrants evade immigration law as well as the northern border is telling, imo. In addition they are going to great lengths to portray southern border immigrants as criminals, not to mention the epithets, thus dehumanizing them and allowing, in their mind, all manner of human rights abuses.
 
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If there's one country in Europe where through its existance and its area before many different ethnicities wandered through and settled like no other then it is Germany. It's really a bitter irony of the history that exact this country started about fantasizing being a superrace under the nazis.

Given Trump's well known German roots this whole idea just makes me laugh as much as his fear about a few thousand of immigrants. He clearly is anti-patriotic.
 

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I understand, but do you really believe that those who say the nazis were socialist are arguing in good faith? Those in the middle who see what is happening, assuming they aren't fox news adherents, need to continue to see what is happening. Their actions speak louder than any words or names that are used to describe what is happening.

If I were in the middle and people were comparing the actions of my own government to those of the nazis, I think I would pay attention. But then, I think it must take a special kind of disinterest to NOT be able to see it.
No, they are not arguing in good faith. However that argument usually comes from the magats though.

The problem is the middle. They hear 'nazi!' and 'commie!' and they do not investigate .... they just sigh and figure both sides are at it again. It is the same problem as calling kiddie cages concentration camps. While it may be correct by some definitions it causes some people to not look at the problem.
 
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No, they are not arguing in good faith. However that argument usually comes from the magats though.

The problem is the middle. They hear 'nazi!' and 'commie!' and they do not investigate .... they just sigh and figure both sides are at it again. It is the same problem as calling kiddie cages concentration camps. While it may be correct by some definitions it causes some people to not look at the problem.
Seems to me that they already aren't looking at it. They're content to go about their lives without concern for others. If they don't have any curiosity whatsoever to investigate, it really isn't going to matter what words we use. They're in their own heads, their own concerns, they have checked out already.
 

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If there's one country in Europe where through its existance and its area before many different ethnicities wandered through and settled like no other then it is Germany. It's really a bitter irony of the history that exact this country started about fantasizing being a superrace under the nazis.

Given Trump's well known German roots this whole idea just makes me laugh as much as his fear about a few thousand of immigrants. He clearly is anti-patriotic.
Sort of how many Americans follow him into this anti-immigrant hatred. Most of the country came here in the past century or so. A blink of an eye in most terms. Even native americans, who have the strongest claim, came here from somewhere else.
 

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Of course they do, because they are not dumb and have noticed that their own standard of living has been running down the hill since decades, and they do fear that what's left over might be taken away from them as well.

So an easy answer to a complex question is always something most people are willing to believe in.

And of course Trump is spreading this lie, because it diverts the anger and hatred away from the people the Americans should really be most angry about, like this fellow was talking about:


Divide and conquer, already well known and mastered by the ancient Romans, and still a valuable tactic.
 

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Trump is up and foremost a prime example of a neoliberal politician.
Uh? While I'm never too sure what people mean by "neoliberal" other than as a generally hostile political characterization, it usually has something to do with the free movement of goods and a common customs and regulatory regime, neither of which Trump seems particularly enthusiastic about.

Put it another way, neoliberals aren't usually too keen on trade wars and protectionism.

Trump is first and foremost an authoritarian populist figurehead, chosen by various oligarchs and disaster capitalists so they can advance their interests as he blunders about creating disruption and opportunities for them to profit.
 
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The bots and MAGAts are sure working overtime whenever someone tweets about Congressional visit to the camps. Deny, deny, accuse everyoneelse of being a lise, the usual canned RWNJ responses, and sir people who genuinely don't give a damn and are just as happy to see those people die.

Side note: I think Latinx can about as a gender neutral form of Latino/Latina. It seems to be preferred by a lot of folks these days.