Banksy Shreds Painting After It's Auctioned Off

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Why does the shredded paper appear a different colour to the intact part still in the frame?

In the video showing the preparation of the mechanism the blades are layed sideways. How would that have worked?

Is it just me, or does it look like there's not enough in the picture to join up the shredded part of the image and the part still in the frame? Note that the two parts are on different planes.
 

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I would guess the UV shielding in the plexi is changing the color on camera. And the paper has been bent by the rollers as it was fed through the shredder.
 

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It would not surprise me in the least if the shredded painting is just another part of the illusion and is in fact not shredded, but a duplicate.

But this question plays right into the masterful manipulation of perception here. At least until more details come out (if ever), Banksy is the magician onstage holding all the cards and nobody knows exactly where the trick begins and ends, or exactly who the sucker is. Enjoy it for the brilliance it is. :devilish:
 
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He wouldn't even have to cough up the money - he could just spray-paint "fuck you" all over the home of the buyer and be done with it.
If only I was so famous...
 
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It would not surprise me in the least if the shredded painting is just another part of the illusion and is in fact not shredded, but a duplicate.
As I wrote before, the picture at Sotheby's was a copy.

Banksy has recreated this mural multiple times, the first one being in Tottenham, London, I believe.

This is what it looked like before it got removed:



Banksy mural removed in east London


Banksy is using stencils, so if you wanted the original "Balloon Girl", you'd have to get those templates.

He's essentially a guy with a "Balloon Girl" stamp that he can put on any surface, which makes me think his criticism of the art business isn't sincere. Instead of making the picture more valuable by making it unique, he could just have tossed a dozen new Balloon Girl prints at the market to screw up the value by going full Thomas Kinkade.
 
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Banksy is using stencils, so if you wanted the original "Balloon Girl", you'd have to get those templates.
Also, given Banksy doesn't pursue copyright on his works, and Banksy stencils are easily obtainable from a myriad of sources, the whole idea of an "original" Banksy is highly suspect anyway.
 

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The painting was something of value that was obtained from someone else. A person paid for the painting because they valued it. Someone who no longer had any right to it (the artist) chose to destroy it to make a statement. How is that different from what you've just explained, @Beebo Brink?
Because it's art. Art doesn't have the same kind of rigid bounds as a standard commercial product does. It's not a simple object you or I get to define with any authority or give specific character to. The artist gets to decide what the piece of art they created actually is.

Comparison to a usual physical product doesn't make sense unless you're talking only about the canvas, paint and frame as the thing that was bought. The buyer didn't buy the canvas, the paint and the frame for $1.4 million. They bought a piece of Banksy's art. They got a piece of Banksy's art.
 

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Because it's art. Art doesn't have the same kind of rigid bounds as a standard commercial product does.
The buyer is fine with it, so everything is cool, but I find it weird that a lot of people on this thread seem to think that art is exempt from property law. I know this happened in London, but unless British law is very different than that of the US, the buyer could have possibly sought legal action if they weren't okay with it.
 
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I didn't say that I think art is exempt from property law. I wish the buyer a long and happy life with the self-shredding painting they bought, with all the comfort and peace of mind that property laws might bring them.
 

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The buyer is fine with it, so everything is cool, but I find it weird that a lot of people on this thread seem to think that art is exempt from property law. I know this happened in London, but unless British law is very different than that of the US, the buyer could have possibly sought legal action if they weren't okay with it.
That's why the timing was critical. The auction created a contract to buy the painting, which would be finalized with the exchange of money for the painting. When the shredder was triggered, the painting was still the property of the seller and in the custody of the auction house. The buyer at that point had the choice of going through with the sale or backing out (auction houses have procedures for objects damaged in their custody which would have allowed the buyer to back out of the sale since the painting was materially different then at the time the bidding ended). If the seller was Banksy or a proxy, then it was still their property at the time of the shredding.

The only legal exposure would be if (1) Banksy was neither the buyer nor the seller, and neither party wanted the painting in its altered form or (2) the seller or the auction house were to file an insurance claim.

An insurance claim would be interesting in this case, as most people don't file a claim if their property increases in value. Typically, an insurance company either pays the cost of restoration or, in the event of a total loss, they pay the insured value and receive title to the property (in the case of lost or stolen property, that means they are the legal owners if the item is recovered). Insurers would probably be very happy to pay the auction value for the piece and turn around and sell it at the higher value. But that makes the question of criminal charges difficult, since the definition of misdemeanor as opposed to felony vandalism is based on the dollar amount of the damage. How do you charge Banksy for increasing the value of the painting?
 
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Review: Banksy's Love is in the Bin ★★★★★

Will Gompertz, the BBC's arts editor, reviews the piece, explaining that:

the subject of this review is not a 2006 Banksy canvas in a mock Victorian frame, but the new artwork made by the artist via a remote control device live in the auction room on 5th October 2018. The one with shredded canvas hanging from the bottom of the frame, which is on display at Sotheby's, London throughout the weekend.
 
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Great review! Thanks, Innula.
But contemporary art is not valued for its inherent aesthetic qualities (although that is how it is presented to us), it is valued pretty much solely on the basis of an artist's reputation. All that matters is the brand, that it is a Banksy, or a Koons, or a Kusama. For a lot of collectors art has become an asset class.

Hence the talk after the event wasn't about art but the asset. Will the shredded work be worth more, or less? Surreptitious calls were made suggesting potential buyers were already lining up to purchase it, should it come back on the market. Speculation mounted.
This discussion about the shredding is what art can do best: provoke and intrigue, touch our emotions, heighten our passions.
 

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Banksy is using stencils, so if you wanted the original "Balloon Girl", you'd have to get those templates.

He's essentially a guy with a "Balloon Girl" stamp that he can put on any surface, which makes me think his criticism of the art business isn't sincere. Instead of making the picture more valuable by making it unique, he could just have tossed a dozen new Balloon Girl prints at the market to screw up the value by going full Thomas Kinkade.
This stunt does make it an original now. The original shredded balloon girl. The idea of Banksy spray painting "Fuck You" all over the buyer's house as payment for the damages to the balloon girl print is pretty damn hilarious, though.
 

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It wasn't hypothetical. But whatever. I'm done with this since people can't seem to attack the words and not the poster.
Take a break, that wasn't an attack on you. Hypothetical was the "He could have shredded my painting" that never happened, hence it is a hypothetical. She's not saying you never owned art that got stolen.
 
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To the three of you who clicked "gross", the point is, which would you rather have as a collector with too much money? A shredded painting or a piss stained bed? Me, neither, but I don't have obscene amounts of money to throw around. I think between the two I'd take the piss stained bed. Maybe make an exhibit of it with a picture of the orange one licking it or something to make a point of how deranged he is. Maybe I would require a purchase from a taco cart for viewing.