Anyone else getting seriously worried Trump will win in 2020?

[Essence Lumin]

I don't spend tons of time learning about all of the candidates. It's just too depressing. This is who Ballotpedia says is running.

There are a few names that stand out that I didn't know about. Cory Booker? He's from my state and I didn't even know he was running. He must not be running much of a campaign. I've been less than impressed by some of his actions including ties to the pharmaceutical industry. Roque De La Fuente? That is a name I haven't heard of. Joe Walsh? I remember he was with the Eagles, played Rocky Mountain Way. I didn't know he was running for president.

 

[Eunoli]

Michael Bennet remains my preferred candidate. I think that unlike most of the remaining candidates, he could actually win (except for the fact that none of them will win as long as we have foreign powers attacking our voting systems without any response).

 

[Casey Pelous]

..... Joe Walsh? I remember he was with the Eagles, played Rocky Mountain Way. I didn't know he was running for president.

Different Joe Walsh. Very different. Although Eagle Joe Walsh did run for president in 1980, promising to make "Life's Been Good to Me" the new national anthem and, "Free Gas for Everybody." For some reason, his campaign failed to gain traction.

 

[Cristalle]

Different Joe Walsh. Very different. Although Eagle Joe Walsh did run for president in 1980, promising to make "Life's Been Good to Me" the new national anthem and, "Free Gas for Everybody." For some reason, his campaign failed to gain traction.

Yes. This is Douchebag Joe Walsh, deadbeat dad and frequent Wingnut Welfare grifter.

 

[Shiloh Lyric]

I don't spend tons of time learning about all of the candidates. It's just too depressing. This is who Ballotpedia says is running.

There are a few names that stand out that I didn't know about. Cory Booker? He's from my state and I didn't even know he was running. He must not be running much of a campaign. I've been less than impressed by some of his actions including ties to the pharmaceutical industry. Roque De La Fuente? That is a name I haven't heard of. Joe Walsh? I remember he was with the Eagles, played Rocky Mountain Way. I didn't know he was running for president.

No offense, but do you live under a rock? Cory Booker has been at the debates and even parodied by SNL. No, he's not polling very high, but he's been in the race since very early on. Joe Walsh's announcement was a pretty big deal, too. He's a former Tea Party Republican and Congressman.

Look, I get that some people don't keep up very well with "politics", but most of these people have been in the news as Presidential candidates. Some are polling so low and are so little known that I can kind of understand. But Cory Booker? Joe Walsh? Like...I don't know...maybe read more?

 

[Essence Lumin]

No offense, but do you live under a rock? Cory Booker has been at the debates and even parodied by SNL. No, he's not polling very high, but he's been in the race since very early on.

He sure hasn't generated a lot of conversation on VVO. The last mention of him was on November 22 by Sal. She had just this to say.

Booker, Castro, and Harris. I’d be happy with any combination on the ticket but my personal preference would be Harris/Castro. Those are the only three names in competition for my primary vote. Although I’m not sure why it should matter.

No I don't read about everyone. One of my major news sources is here and there hasn't been mention of him lately.

Joe Walsh's announcement was a pretty big deal, too. He's a former Tea Party Republican and Congressman.

Looking at Wikipedia he seems like a nut case.

Look, I get that some people don't keep up very well with "politics", but most of these people have been in the news as Presidential candidates. Some are polling so low and are so little known that I can kind of understand. But Cory Booker? Joe Walsh? Like...I don't know...maybe read more?

Why?

 

[Essence Lumin]

Maybe I'm cynical but going to Cory Booker's website, first I have to click out of two pages begging for money in absurdly large letters. Then the top issue is justice. Then the first item is Animal Welfare. "Our treatment of animals is a test of our character and a measure of the compassion of our society." Really?

 

[Eunoli]

I'm not a giant Cory Booker fan - but the man is a real and actual hero. The fact that he would put himself at risk to save other people means a lot to me and frankly, I don't know why his campaign isn't mentioning that - unless he's actually so modest he doesn't want to make it about his personal achievements outside of politics. Can you imagine Trump rushing into a burning building to save anyone? I can't even imagine the other Democratic candidates doing it and I like a lot of them.

I think that Cory would have a real shot at it if he was up against Trump and could contrast that against Mr. DraftDodger.

Cory Booker runs into a burning building to save an elderly woman
Cory Booker does heroic junk - Daily Beast

 

[Essence Lumin]

All I see when I go to the front page of corybooker.com is please give me money. Not a mention of anything he cares about. What a crock. Also the Pharma industry is big in NJ and when there was a law trying to be passed allowing Canadian imports he voted against it.

 

[danielravennest]

It isn't that simple nowadays. Alternative energy sources are economically competitive. However they tend to not favor monopolies and old big money as much.

Don't fool yourself. Big money is into renewables too. For example, Bloomberg New Energy Finance reports on this stuff to the investing world. That's the same Bloomberg owned by a presidential candidate worth $56 billion. Shell and Saudi Arabia are investing in renewables to hedge their oil business. The fact that big money is into this field gives me hope we won't suffer Venus' fate (700F temperatures due to way too much CO2).

 

[danielravennest]

I think we have a particularly winning issue in expanding healthcare, but it will take a lot of education because it’s complicated. It’s good for getting out the Dem voters that would stay home.

Healthcare is the top concern for voters, followed by the economy. Nearly everyone thinks healthcare is too expensive, and all the people seeing no financial progress in their lives despite "full employment" are wondering what's wrong with the economy (ans: the rich are taking it all). Those are winning issues, and ones the Republicans are on the wrong side of - who wanted to get rid of Obamacare and cut taxes for the rich? Impeachment so far is on the bottom of the list of issues people care a lot about. It's like they believe if Trump is thrown out, he'll be replaced by a guy who can spell, but follows the same policies.

 

[Beebo Brink]

The Base has been infected with something like zombie virus. They may look somewhat like normal humans but they are completely impervious to truth. You cannot have a productive discussion with those that call lies facts and facts lies.

Today I saw the Dem equivalent of a Trumper, a person who posted on Democratic Underground that there was nothing that would change their mind about Biden.

So apparently Biden could also stand on Fifth Avenue and shoot someone, and still have supporters. I tend to think that his Base would be smaller than Trump's, but god knows. Apparently cult-like adoration is all the rage for 2020.

 

[Essence Lumin]

I am surprised the economy has stayed as healthy as it has. It could all come tumbling down. Which would be an unhappy event but would affect the next election.

 

[Kara Spengler]

Well, here we go again.
No i havent talked to one of them .. im in Europe ... as i wrote ... was that a rhetorical question?

And yes, you have to convice them .. or at least shake them, or else you will enjoy not only 1 more period of trumpism.

an "again" means that he will have that 4 years again.

Umm, you do not understand his base.

NOTHING will turn away his base from him. He could turn into Cthulhu and gobble up their children and they would cheer him on. How do you convince that level of blind loyalty? What are we supposed to do, show we are with them by voting for donnie? Of course even that would not work as they would convince themselves it was some long con that their lord and saviour donnie had yet to explain to them (although probably socialist somehow). There have been a very few number of people who decided it was a bad idea to elect him and the rest of the flock turned on them.

To beat donnie we have to do it DESPITE them, not WITH them. Any movement to court their votes would have the entire D party getting sick and not even convince many of them, if any.

 

[Kara Spengler]

It's quite possible to "talk" to one of them on Twitter, if you can stomach it. Or Facebook.
You might find it informative.
They won't even be convinced even if there is irrefutable evidence of his guilt, working for Putin, whatever.
Even if you show them his policies are hurting them.
So again, what do you think could be done to convince them?

Although as long as you limit yourself to your tolerance level they can be fascinating. Like their current insisting that the House Impeachment Investigation is unconstitutional.

 

[Kara Spengler]

You don’t understand how cults work, or how hard it is for someone to deconvert from one.

Most of the remaining hard core Trumpists are either in an actual church that is telling them to stay loyal to the Republicans, or they’re in a group that stands to lose power as women and minorities move closer to equality. The plutocrats and the 10% still willing to vote Republican have the influence of money, but their numbers are not enough to affect the vote itself.

Deconversion is not political persuasion. It is not realpolitik, it is not horse trading, it is not even bribery. Deconversion begins either when someone is abused by a cult, realizes through education that it’s false, or realizes they’re in a group the cult has chosen to scapegoat.

Deconversion is exactly the same process as a victim escaping the clutches of a malignant NPD abuser, on a (usually) less personal scale, so sometimes it can ripple through a group.

This goes far beyond what a political party can do and is inherent in a society descended from slavers. It’s a multigenerational process and will not be fixed in a year.

The smart Republicans who aren’t trying to profit off breaking the government, are already in the “resistance.”

There were a couple of recent vids about this. One was of a magat gushing about donnie's family values. Then another one of him faking an orgasm at a rally.

 

[Romana]

There were a couple of recent vids about this. One was of a magat gushing about donnie's family values. Then another one of him faking an orgasm at a rally.

About the second one:

Trump's 'Fake Orgasm' Is What Got Former FBI Lawyer Lisa Page to Break Her Silence

“The president of the United States is calling me names to the entire world. He’s demeaning me and my career. It’s sickening."

www.vice.com

This last part leaped out at me:

“I don’t ever know when the president’s going to attack next,” she told the Daily Beast. “And when it happens, it can still sort of upend my day. You don’t really get used to it.”

... when the president’s going to attack...
This is the sort of thing his base justifies as him “hitting back”.

 

[Ariane]

I'm convinced Trump will lose the popular vote by a landslide. 5 to 6 million at least, but still could win the Electoral College.

There is hope. Dems could take the Senate. Dems will likely flip Maine and Arizona, but the GOP is likely to flip Alabama. Dems just need a couple more, and there are like 20 other GOP Senate seats up.

If the Dems do take the senate, they need to do away with the filibuster, then make Puerto Rico and DC into States with two Senators each, that will make it harder for the rural states to control the Senate. Then they need a voters rights act that defines what gerrymandering is and makes it illegal to make control of the House harder.

Hopefully there is a Dem in the White House to sign this stuff.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

I am surprised the economy has stayed as healthy as it has. It could all come tumbling down. Which would be an unhappy event but would affect the next election.

Trumpers would just blame it on the impeachment proceedings.

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

The Trumpsters aren't convinced of it any more than you are convinced that, say, Travelgate actually happened. So stop counting on it as a way to remove him. Fight him on policy, instead.

I'm not counting on anything, I'm simply saying that it's a false analogy.