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Because I wouldn't net any L$, it would all go into the transaction fee.
So no matter what, that money is lost to you, right? If you're not going to post another transaction of any kind for over a year, then the account is basically dead anyway. At least LL will get something out of the deal, even if you don't.
 

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... sigh. Well, I understand why things are going this way... but what if I never fully cash out and only sell off L$ to offset my land use fees?
My understanding is that you're affected only if you withdraw funds from your LL Stored Value Balance completely -- that is, ask to have them sent to PayPal or Skrill. If you simply cash out and then transfer the USD to LL (so the funds never leave LL's control) then you're not affected. LL have brought in the changes simply to comply with US "Know Your Customer" anti-money-laundering regulations.

This I've had from quite a senior Linden. If people want I'll ask him if I may use his name, but I can assure you that's the very example he gave me -- cashing out but then using the USD to pay your tier and premium membership doesn't involve Tilia at all.

He also said, re alts, that simply logging the alt into the LL website and checking your account balance once a year will count as using the account, so that doesn't seem a terribly onerous requirement.
 

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August first is tomorrow. after that you will have to agree to the terms to use continue to use sl...

But wait... theres more! not listening to a Security expert? i feel like i've seen a movie about this...

 

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But wait... theres more! not listening to a Security expert? i feel like i've seen a movie about this...

Oh NWN, never change....
 

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And there I was thinking they were too poor to listen to experts...

... I stand corrected - It is something worse...
 
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August first is tomorrow. after that you will have to agree to the terms to use continue to use sl...

But wait... theres more! not listening to a Security expert? i feel like i've seen a movie about this...

This NWN article is just full of hot air and not much real substance at all sorry; her Twitter account is more interesting. And security experts - well, everybody can claim to be one. It's not like it's something you need to get certified first with or have to study at all.

Real security experts have to work hard to earn a good reputation, like Bruce Schneier, Tavis Ormandy or Daniel J. Bernstein. Those three are well renowned, heavy weights in the field of security expertise.

But I've only got to look at her Twitter badge, where it shows this:



OMFG, so much cyber cyber cyber... every security expert who wants to be taken seriously by his own industry avoids that word at any cost, because "cyber" is just being used by politicians and other people who've got no clue what they're talking about, like a blind born man talking about colors. Calling yourself a "cyber security expert" just makes you the laughing stock of your industiy, nothing else.

Reading her papers reveals that she was more acting like some kind of legal advisor on operational and privacy questions than a security expert looking for security issues.

First and foremost it happens every day that some employers and their employees simply put don't match together very well. Hire and fire. Reading through the papers the impression to me is that she never really fit well into the working environment of Linden Lab due to uncertain reasons; and now she's blaming Linden Lab for that. For this it takes two, and in the end it's for the court to figure out the truth if she indeed was facing racism, or not.

She's also right now playing heavily on the discriminated victim card right now: female, Indian and muslim and made her law suit public, which is normally uncommon. If she were instead a white, protestant American, the publicity would be much, much lower.

I guess this is a tactic to motivate Linden Lab to avoid further bad press, and pay her a nice compensation instead of fighting it out before the court - if the case is going to be accepted, that is.

Well, we're going to see how this in the end is going to turn out in a few months probably. 🍿
 
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I'm not a judge, and I'm not a lawyer, so the opinions I am about to present are just my own.

I have no reason to doubt Kavya is good at what she does. From what I see, she has worked very hard to educate and prove herself in her field. A Masters Degree is nothing to sneeze at. Linden Lab even wrote a blog post on Data Privacy Day, citing her in a Q&A interview. So it looks like she knows what she's talking about when it comes to infosec.

I've been a customer and resident of SL for... 13+ years. In the past I have been critical of Linden Lab, because they have a long proven history pushing out of half-assed SL projects. LL may have had it's moments of incompetence, but as a company they've never struck me as a company that doesn't listen to someone because of their gender, religion, or skin color. LL is just good at not listening -- in general. I know it's a dumb argument, but it's a valid argument in this context.

I have skimmed over Kavyas twitter for the past 6 months, and I have read all of the few pages of the Complaint for Damages she's posted on twitter. She's making some really heavy race, religion, and gender accusations against LL and her termination. In her 12 part twitter complaint how LL wasn't really doing it's best to be compliant, and that she got fired for it. However in the few pages of the lawsuit and the things she's presented that are highlighted, are just the problems she was trying to bring to LL, and they ignored or said they would address later.

Here's why I can't get behind her ... yet:

The issues highlighted in the complaint are the issues she had with LL in general -- but they do nothing to address her actual grievances that she's claiming in the lawsuit. I know it's part of the story as to how she got to where she is now. As of now, I feel like she's just an angry person who got fired, even though she had a lot of valid points about about compliance with laws, in the job -- and no one was listening. There's nothing more frustrating than being hired to do something very specialized and specific. then be ignored. I have been there, and I have quit jobs because of it.

If you read the unhighlighted areas of the documents provided you can see on at least three other times there's communication issues with her and LL. On page 7, paragraph 23, she even brings up a point where she was told she was "too intelligent" and needs to "dumb it down". LL could have simply fired her because she wasn't good at communicating, which seems to be the theme of the whole ordeal. Part of being the hyper-talented person they hired you for, is speaking in terms mere mortals can understand.

The timing of this all really bugs me. The day before Tilias release, highlighting all the issues with Tilia in the complaint rather than the actual issues, and then being a social justice warrior trying to start another movement? It feels too coincidental. Planned even.

If there's more meat to this, and she can prove that LL was actually discriminating, I am more than happy to change my mind. But that is going to be a long, hard, and uphill battle for her to prove that. The story she's telling now isn't as convincing as it should be to me, and I am typically onboard with these sort of things at face value. With the timing and way she's presented it has made me very skeptical.

TL;DR: LL can be incompetent, but I don't think they discriminate when they do.

p.s. I have never heard of a "Thought Leader" until today.
 

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A master in Network security, if my information is not wrong by DePaul University, Chicago IL - which sounds to me more like she's good in planning firewalls, doing network scans, hardening web servers and so on. PCI DSS on the other hand is more about data protection; and her title was "information security director" which fits quite nicely I guess. So this makes her more a data security/law compliance expert in my opinion in the context of LL.

Well in the comment section of NWN are some really interesting comments on that case; of course I cannot prove their validity, they are interesting none the less.

I've found the comments of Medhue (from Medhue Animations) most interesting:

Well, because I can speak freely, I will. Tilia, and or parts of it, have been in effect for a very long time. I've been cashing out for almost 15 years. Ms. Pearlman was commonly known as Maya Sansar, in Sansar. Let's just say many users complained about her. My bet is that she doesn't have a leg to stand on and is just using the Tilia stuff as fuel.

and in Response to James Wagner Au commenting that cybersecurity experts in general rub off on the people the wrong way because they are serious about cybersecurity:

@Wagner - She didn't rub users and creators the wrong way over security issues. She thought she could tell users and creators what to do, or even whether they could be on the grid at all. She outed non binary people, and I personally got to watch internal companies videos, likely because she wanted me to do some work for her. She was a mess really, and a nightmare to deal with. If the Lab does something wrong, I'll be the first to criticize them. Maya Sansar tho, her head was a bit too big for the building.

If only half of it is true and she really outed people, well that would also speak volumes.Then again the user base of Sansar is... small, and this seems so far the only comment by a Sansar user in NWN.
 
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Sounds mainly like a storm in a glass of water.
 

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Wether true or not this person has shown more brains in understanding user emotions than the Lab did in a long while. This case went off like a small tactical nuke. Part of the damage was already done by just making it public.

Don't forget she does not have to be right - she just has to win the case. To successfully damage the Lab even an out of court deal will suffice - the general public will follow the logic that if she gets a deal there has to be some substance to her accusations... she more or less already got her retaliation.

The case might also be a sure shot for her no matter the real truth. It all depends on the competence of the Lab's law department - as an insider she might have gotten a pretty good assessment of their general skills ...
 

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Wether true or not this person has shown more brains in understanding user emotions than the Lab did in a long while.
And how does this even remotely matter in that case? Wss she hired as a community manager? Since no, this is absolutely irrelevant.

This case went off like a small tactical nuke. Part of the damage was already done by just making it public.
I disagree on the first statement; this is just wishful thinking, because even the people at NWN are still rather unconvinced and rather calm. There's even no thread about it in the official Second Life forums yet. Second statement of course: yes, but the question of who in the end is going to suffer more, Linden Lab or Pearlman. Chances are high that this is going to be Pearlman in the end.

Don't forget she does not have to be right - she just has to win the case. To successfully damage the Lab even an out of court deal will suffice - the general public will follow the logic that if she gets a deal there has to be some substance to her accusations... she more or less already got her retaliation.

The case might also be a sure shot for her no matter the real truth. It all depends on the competence of the Lab's law department - as an insider she might have gotten a pretty good assessment of their general skills ...
Or Linden Lab will just give a damn and fight it till the end not matter what. And even if an out of court deal is the outcome, the long term damage for Linden Lab will be non existent, because people are lazy and don't give a damn. Otherwise the cigarette industry would have been long gone which increased the addictivity of their products, McDonald's and whatever else.

Aside that again the damage swings both sides. Pearlman for sure has burned her name a great deal for future employers&customers, due to making that public in the first place; because who really wants to hire an expert like her, where the chances are quite high that even due to the slightest disagreement she might went ballistic in the end?

And it's not even necessary that she behaves like that; already the perception that she might behave like that is reason enough for many companies to not hire her any longer I am pretty sure about.

So yes, it's probably better for her if she is able to squeeze out some substiantial amounts of money out of it.
 
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"Expert" is something others call you. Anyone calling themselves one probably isn't, or if they do have the chops for the title probably has an attitude a mile wide to go with it.

As for "cybersecurity expert"... oof.

If you want to hire one, pick the one who calls themselves an "Information security specialist" or a "systems security professional" or the like, not a "Look-at-ME-I'm-a-CYBERSECURITY-EXPERT"

It's like your guys being "agents" and the other lot being "spies".
 

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The question is...can she hack the Gibson?
 
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LL is just good at not listening -- in general....As of now, I feel like she's just an angry person who got fired, even though she had a lot of valid points about compliance with laws, in the job -- and no one was listening.
So much this. LL is perfectly capable of being an Equal Opportunity dunce and not listening to anyone, regardless of race, creed, color or fill-in-the-blank. And just based on the Twitter rants, this woman isn't the greatest communicator. Lots of words, so many words, but little substance. Contrast this woman's accusations with those of Susan Fowler, who blew the lid off of Uber and its treatment of women. Her calm, measured tone and incredibly damning details were very persuasive.

https://www.susanjfowler.com/blog/2017/2/19/reflecting-on-one-very-strange-year-at-uber

Of course, one of the pressures of living in a society with so much institutional racism, is that every situation can be difficult to judge from an individual perspective. When you've faced a lifetime of contempt, dismissal, condescension because you're female, or a POC or gay or whatever, it becomes harder and harder to recognize when you're being shat on by someone because they're just generally an asshole, but not racist, or even if everyone recoils because you yourself are toxic and just can't see it.

p.s. I have never heard of a "Thought Leader" until today.
How in the world did you manage to escape that!?!!! It really is a thing in corporate America. I know, because one of the contributing factors to my annual bonus is tied to whether I've been an effective "Thought Leader." I nailed it one year, by writing six blog posts on boring technical subjects, but that was it. I had nothing more left to say and I now just have to completely bullshit my way through that part of my performance evaluation.
 
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I've found the comments of Medhue (from Medhue Animations) most interesting:

Well, because I can speak freely, I will. Tilia, and or parts of it, have been in effect for a very long time. I've been cashing out for almost 15 years. Ms. Pearlman was commonly known as Maya Sansar, in Sansar. Let's just say many users complained about her. My bet is that she doesn't have a leg to stand on and is just using the Tilia stuff as fuel.

and in Response to James Wagner Au commenting that cybersecurity experts in general rub off on the people the wrong way because they are serious about cybersecurity:

@Wagner - She didn't rub users and creators the wrong way over security issues. She thought she could tell users and creators what to do, or even whether they could be on the grid at all. She outed non binary people, and I personally got to watch internal companies videos, likely because she wanted me to do some work for her. She was a mess really, and a nightmare to deal with. If the Lab does something wrong, I'll be the first to criticize them. Maya Sansar tho, her head was a bit too big for the building.
I think it's funny that Medhue makes those comments about her from his and others interactions with her. I don't know her, and I have never talked with her but -- that is the same impression I got from reading her twitter and interviews.

I hope that for her sake there's some merit to her lawsuit, otherwise she's going to prematurely end her career. Either way it's still damaging for LL because it's a no-win scenario for them. I hope they see this through rather than settle.
 

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So I've taken the time, because I wanted to inform myself even more about it, and read the whole complaint which Pearlman filed before the Superior Court of California, County of San Francisco. You can too, if you want to, it's free - you just need to solve some captchas upfront.

Pearlman sues Linden Lab for wrongful discharge; that's the core of her complaint.

Upfront a few words: I'm not well versed in American legalese, nor the usual behaviour of American lawyers. What I am talking about now is only the impressions I got after reading the PDF, nothing more, nothing less.

First of all the long list of fields of expertise which is being listed in the file looks impressive; if all certificates are worth something I don't know. I only know that America has the top 10 of the world's best universities, and the worst 500; so it really depends where somebody has got his/her degree from, because the reputation of the university can be important.

If this long list is not in only there due to an advise of Pearlman's lawyer because this is common in the area, than I expect her to be quite convinced about herself. Very much so indeed.

Then there's a long list of occassions, where she wanted to report something and Linden Lab did not listen. This happens in many companies, but let's just say that she did not take this well. I mean getting ignored all the time can be quite frustrating, I do understand that.

More so, her direct superior once should have told her that she is - quote - "too intelligent" and "should dumb it down." This is something which she really seems to have angered her. For me the case it not so clear, because context is king, and she's not delivering the whole context and quote in her complaint.

When I started work in my company and had first contact with the top management, I tended to write quite elaborate emails; until my direct superior told me that I really should write short emails, only mentioning the important, hard facts, due to the work load of the top management, because otherwise I am wasting their time or they just won't read anything - which you can also interpret as "too intelligent" and "you should dumb it down". Those two quotes could also have been told in some kind of similar context, which would be a little harsh wordings perhaps, but with a reasonable case. For me it's vague, because the complaint does not deliver the whole context, it's pretty much unclear for me.

Pearlman was after some time put on a PIP - and she rejected it, because she was convinced that this was undeserved and she was working very well. She doesn't tell if she tried to improve upon what the PIP did contain, just that she continued to "work hard and fulfill her job duties with utmost professionalism", which basically means nothing if she tried to improve, or not. I do presume though not, because she was convinced that it was undeserved and she was anyway doing a great job. Might be that I am wrong, but when an employee receives a PIP, he/she should better take it serious and follow it, or not? Most of them tend to be a real blow to the ego, and some believe it's the first step is an employer wants to get rid of you, but it also means all is still possible - right? So I don't understand her stance on that so much.

Aside that, the case file always describes her as Miss Perfect in every way, she almost did never anything wrong. Then again I presume mistakes would never be admitted/mentioned in such a file anyway, so I guess business is usual before a court. She's also playing quite heavily on the racist/discrimination card, which is no surprise. But why she cames to this conclusion is even after reading all of the file pretty much unclear to me, what her type of evidence is aside that one white man she thinks made even more errors was not treated like she was.

The case management conference by the court by the way is set for 8th of January 2020; so that complaint will be around for quite some time. The amount she demands as compensation according to the sheet is above 25.000 US$.

Anyway, my personal impression after wading all through this and reading between the lines is that she's got an ego of the size of Texas, is really really really much so convinced about herself, is not so much used to working/integrating herself well in a corporate environment ,and that she's living by the saying "It's either my way or the highway"; she only didn't realize who's in charge.

Then again, this is my impression only after reading the PDF - it might be it is partly or entirely wrong; only time will tell.
 
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