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I've kept away from this thread as Brexit is a collective madness that I want no part of but I'm just going to put a few observations out there for you all to think about.
I'm up north now and have spoken to a lot of Brexiteers - mainly solid labour voters (a lot of whom voted for the Brexit party in the last euro elections - they saw it as a pseudo referendum)
Not one of the Brexiteers understand how the EU operates and they are of a fixed opinion that they're taking back control (never a mention of immigrants) and some even say we'll get a better deal from the EU if we're out of it (arrant nonsense but they refuse to acknowledge the opt outs and special deals we already have). When presented with the facts, they refuse - yes refuse! - to acknowledge them. One went so far as to tell me they have their beliefs and they're sticking to them. You cannot change their minds (see the Sunderland result) as they won't acknowledge the reality.
Are they fascists? no but this wilful blindness and political ignorance leads them to support the fascist Brexit party.
Here's a clip if you don't believe me - these are the more sensible ones - they're mainly middle class (ie white collar jobs) and the dude with the long hair was until recently the head of Aslef - the train driver's union. There's so many things to pick holes in with this but this is the reality on the ground once you're past watford
If you think that labour would win on a pro-remain platform, you're sadly mistaken. Outside of the south east, the will for Brexit is still strong and it's probably enough to sway the tribal loyalties at a GE. That's what makes the Brexit party a worry - it's quite possible Farage could finally get elected to Westminster (after being beaten by a dude in a dolphin suit previously you'd think he'd give up but no - he's determined to trash our country and he has no self awareness... see the letter he delivered to the govt yesterday).
There are very few people who care that the original ref result would've been disallowed if it hadn't been advisory. The indifference to the manipulation of the vote is up there with the indifference to the electoral fraud perpetrated by the Tory party in the 2017 election. This is a concern and I don't understand it.
The sheer anti-Corbyn propaganda in the mainstream media is staggering - the guardian is the guiltiest, as it goes for clickbait and sadly a lot of people take it seriously. Once an election is called and the media has to report fairly then you'll see a change. It happened last election and it will this next time.
the media rarely reports on the infighting, racism and bigotry in the Tory party and the party MPs are disciplined enough not to go whining to the media. Unlike the Blairite wing of the the labour party who would rather destroy their electoral chances than have Corbyn as PM.
TBH, I don't see the parties disintegrating soon, nor do I see the vote being split enough so we end up like Europe with coalitions of lots of minor parties. Brexit is pretty much a mirror of the two party system and once it's calmed down we'll go back to our new normal - except split down the middle with the lib dems trying to straddle that supposed middle ground.
That's it really.
Oh and I'll add this, which hopefully explains a bit better about how the EU works. Basically the specialist areas report to the government reps who decide if they want to make a law, the law then goes to the EU parliament. So if you don't like a law, blame your government for being a part of the creation of it - not the EU itself.
/fin
I'm up north now and have spoken to a lot of Brexiteers - mainly solid labour voters (a lot of whom voted for the Brexit party in the last euro elections - they saw it as a pseudo referendum)
Not one of the Brexiteers understand how the EU operates and they are of a fixed opinion that they're taking back control (never a mention of immigrants) and some even say we'll get a better deal from the EU if we're out of it (arrant nonsense but they refuse to acknowledge the opt outs and special deals we already have). When presented with the facts, they refuse - yes refuse! - to acknowledge them. One went so far as to tell me they have their beliefs and they're sticking to them. You cannot change their minds (see the Sunderland result) as they won't acknowledge the reality.
Are they fascists? no but this wilful blindness and political ignorance leads them to support the fascist Brexit party.
Here's a clip if you don't believe me - these are the more sensible ones - they're mainly middle class (ie white collar jobs) and the dude with the long hair was until recently the head of Aslef - the train driver's union. There's so many things to pick holes in with this but this is the reality on the ground once you're past watford
If you think that labour would win on a pro-remain platform, you're sadly mistaken. Outside of the south east, the will for Brexit is still strong and it's probably enough to sway the tribal loyalties at a GE. That's what makes the Brexit party a worry - it's quite possible Farage could finally get elected to Westminster (after being beaten by a dude in a dolphin suit previously you'd think he'd give up but no - he's determined to trash our country and he has no self awareness... see the letter he delivered to the govt yesterday).
There are very few people who care that the original ref result would've been disallowed if it hadn't been advisory. The indifference to the manipulation of the vote is up there with the indifference to the electoral fraud perpetrated by the Tory party in the 2017 election. This is a concern and I don't understand it.
The sheer anti-Corbyn propaganda in the mainstream media is staggering - the guardian is the guiltiest, as it goes for clickbait and sadly a lot of people take it seriously. Once an election is called and the media has to report fairly then you'll see a change. It happened last election and it will this next time.
the media rarely reports on the infighting, racism and bigotry in the Tory party and the party MPs are disciplined enough not to go whining to the media. Unlike the Blairite wing of the the labour party who would rather destroy their electoral chances than have Corbyn as PM.
TBH, I don't see the parties disintegrating soon, nor do I see the vote being split enough so we end up like Europe with coalitions of lots of minor parties. Brexit is pretty much a mirror of the two party system and once it's calmed down we'll go back to our new normal - except split down the middle with the lib dems trying to straddle that supposed middle ground.
That's it really.
Oh and I'll add this, which hopefully explains a bit better about how the EU works. Basically the specialist areas report to the government reps who decide if they want to make a law, the law then goes to the EU parliament. So if you don't like a law, blame your government for being a part of the creation of it - not the EU itself.
/fin