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They should be arrested for crimes against cattle. 🤢 That poor steak looks boiled.
I make this about once a week on my induction stove:


I usually add more spring onions, which gives it a few more sprinkles of greeen.

An since I serve this with rice, I always increase the amount of sauce by about 50%.

The induction stove is really great for wok cooking, because it can easily produce the heat needed for these recipes.
 
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End the war on drugs.
Certainly, but that's not the end of the story. People are still going to find themselves in trouble with the law because of what they've done while their judgment and reflexes were impaired by drug use, just as they do because they've been drinking.
 
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That kind of racket has been going on for decades. I hear about something similar on NPR every few years, located in "the usual suspects" group of states. For example, South Dakota allowed unregulated military-style bootcamps for teen offenders until one of them died and there was an investigation maybe 10 years ago. There was a similar series of shelters for alcohol rehabilitation from at least the 60's with a similar modus operandi.
 
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Would the case ever have made it to court in the US, or would he have been protected by the First Amendment?
 
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Would the case ever have made it to court in the US, or would he have been protected by the First Amendment?
Generally in the US you have to demonstrate a specific threat for a criminal case. A civil case would only need to show a reasonable expectation that someone would take action based on the statements. General hate speech is something that courts would not take action on under the First Amendment protections.

An example:
  1. Youtube commentator says "I wish John Smith would die" is protected as they do not assume their listers will kill John Smith.
  2. A crime boss says "I wish John Smith would just go away" in front of members of his organization that he knows are ready and able to kill John Smith would be actionable.
 

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Generally in the US you have to demonstrate a specific threat for a criminal case. A civil case would only need to show a reasonable expectation that someone would take action based on the statements. General hate speech is something that courts would not take action on under the First Amendment protections.

An example:
  1. Youtube commentator says "I wish John Smith would die" is protected as they do not assume their listers will kill John Smith.
  2. A crime boss says "I wish John Smith would just go away" in front of members of his organization that he knows are ready and able to kill John Smith would be actionable.
Here the relevant offence is Encouragement of Terrorism:

A person commits an offence if—

(a)he publishes a statement to which this section applies or causes another to publish such a statement; and

(b)at the time he publishes it or causes it to be published, he—

(i)intends members of the public to be directly or indirectly encouraged or otherwise induced by the statement to commit, prepare or instigate acts of terrorism or Convention offences; or

(ii)is reckless as to whether members of the public will be directly or indirectly encouraged or otherwise induced by the statement to commit, prepare or instigate such acts or offences.
 

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Would the case ever have made it to court in the US, or would he have been protected by the First Amendment?
He could be deplatformed.

(and face civil action, loss of his job, face difficulty getting a new one thanks to social media background checks)
 

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Would the case ever have made it to court in the US, or would he have been protected by the First Amendment?
It's been something close to 25 years since I went to law school so I say . . . I don't know. I recall cases of people getting arrested and convicted for convincing people to kill others without them themselves killing anyone.

First Amendment? There are exceptions. Like the first amendment wouldn't protect someone from screaming fire in a theater causing people to stampede and kill, when there was no fire (and the person didn't think there was fire).

Then, of course, there is songwriter & Scientologist Charles Manson (listed his religion as Scientologist and completed 150 hours of "auditing"; the 1968 Beach Boys song "Never Learn Not to Love" was written by Charles Manson, altered by Dennis Wilson).
In early August 1969, some Manson Family members committed murders in Los Angeles. The Manson Family gained national notoriety after the murder of actress Sharon Tate and four others in her home on August 8 and 9, 1969, and Leno and Rosemary LaBianca the next day. Tex Watson and three other members of the Family committed the Tate–LaBianca murders, allegedly under Manson's instructions. While it was later accepted at trial that Manson never expressly ordered the murders, his behavior was deemed to warrant a conviction of first degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder.
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On January 25, 1971, the jury found Manson, Krenwinkel and Atkins guilty of first degree murder in all seven of the Tate and LaBianca killings.
 
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US news agency Associated Press recommended on Twitter to avoid the use of dehumanizing labels, like the poor, mentally ill, disable or the French. That tweet was soon deleted but enough French saw it and the French are not amused!

 
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